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Showing posts with label SCHIP. Show all posts
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Tuesday, January 13, 2009

Put the Breaks on Obama's Socialist Agenda!

Do your part now to stop the expanded SCHIP bill which is the first step toward wrecking our medical care system. ACU made it easy to send an email to your Representative, please take advantage by clicking this link.

Please take action now; the bill comes up for a vote next week.


Thursday, October 25, 2007

As In The SCHIP Quagmire, No One Wants The DREAM Act Either






No matter the jargon and unhanded under and over tones of the socialists in the United States, no one wants the DREAM Act, either.

The vast majority WANT SCHIP when it is FIXED. It is for CHILDREN and NOT adults. Get over it. There has a been a wealth of articles written and posted everywhere but the bloggers on the right post ALL of the facts and not cherry picked pieces/parts designed to overwhelm the emotionally weak.

IBD has a poll result in regards to the DREAM Act that went down in flames...AGAIN...yesterday. The poll shows an "Across-The-Board Opposition To DREAM Act's Tuition Break.
The so-called DREAM Act, standing for "Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors" and giving children of illegal immigrants a path toward legality, failed a crucial test vote in the Senate Wednesday. Supporters needed 60 votes to advance it, and they got only 52. The measure would have allowed illegal immigrants who plan to attend college or join the military, and who came to the U.S. with their families before they turned 16, to move toward legality. But as the latest IBD/TIPP Poll shows, a provision that would let the immigrants pay in-state tuition is not popular with the public at large.

Please consider this: no matter how large or small the turd is and, no matter what color one paints said turd, the fact remains as follows; a turd is still a turd and no, you cannot pick up a turd by the clean end.


Any questions?

Catch the wave







Thursday, October 18, 2007

SCHIP Veto Override Debate...UPDATES(2)...REEEEEEEEEJECTED






The Leftinistra are being held to the fire in regards to House Rules and the idgit Stark from Leftifornia is angwy about it. Too damn bad!!

Anyway, Michelle and Captain Ed and Wake Up America are live blogging the event.

Captain Ed has the Stark Implosion Video up.

The Weekly Standard has a piece up.

Voting on the override now (12 minutes and counting remaining) and it looks like the override it will fall short by 15 votes. GWB needs 144 votes to sustain the veto. It is up to 119 now.

1211 and time is up...273 Yay, 156 Nay.

The veto stands.

Another anti-American assault defeated.

Catch the wave

let the whining begin
and the whiners soil themselves with stupidity
the Caliphate News Network whines in
the NYSlimes has a tizzy

[UPDATE!!#1] Swiped from Michelle Malkin for posterity. Rep Starks is a far left moonbat fruit loop brigade member. Check this out!


Like I said earlier today, the far Left fringe is the Democrat center.

Good God Almighty. No wonder the Leftinistra are so AFU!!! Soros has them by the short hairs.

Flopping Aces has a running update...



[UPDATE #2]...I wrote a letter to Fool Stark

My letter to the fool...

To: Congressman Pete Stark

Message Subject: Your immediate resignation.


I would call you "Sir" or "Honorable Congressman" but, you deserve neither.

I watched your pathetic and childish tirade yesterday on CSPAN2 and I find your actions and verbiage unbecoming to a representative of whale dung, let alone We The people.

Thank God above you do not represent me. However, you yammer as if you do.

I am one of those "get my head blown off" guys you insulted yesterday, as if you care.

I saw your verbiage at the Daily Socialist and anti-Americanist site at the KOSKids site also. Well done, fool.

If there rises a grassroots effort to remove you from office, I will join in the effort and hereby know this...we will be blogging you and now we will be following you very closely.

You, are an international embarrassment.

I am ashamed for my country because of the likes of you.

http://takeourcountryback-snooper.blogspot.com/2007/10/schip-veto-override-debate.html

You are not a representative. You ARE a mis-representative.

I hope you can sleep well at night and I do wonder what you tell the demons when they come.

If you care to write the fool, you can do so here:






Sunday, October 14, 2007

Facts about SCHIP and what we need to do this week




I am going to list the facts about SCHIP, facts that the left doesn't want you to see, they would rather the focus be on anything but these facts.

SCHIP needs to address what was wrong with the bill to begin, which is why underneath this post I will be listing all the phone numbers you need to be calling tomorrow (Monday) and every day until the 18th, when the vote to override the President's veto is held.

We need to call those numbers relentlessly, jam the lines, and let our representatives know that they need to uphold the President's veto until the bill is written in a way that fixes the problems in the original bill and not expand those problems.

Facts about SCHIP: Remember what SCHIP stands for as you read these facts. State Children's Heath Insurance Program.

FACT ONE:

From WSJ-

670,000 adults are covered by Schip. Eleven states cover some parents, and six states cover either pregnant adults or some adults with no children.

FACT TWO:

As this Kaiser 2006 survey of all the states details, in all but three states a family’s assets are not considered at all in determining eligibility for SCHIP. (As I pointed out here Maryland, home of the Frost’s, and California, my home, do not consider assets in qualification for SCHIP.) (Source- Democracy Project)

FACT THREE:

In 2006, 118,501 children and 101,919 adults in Michigan received health care from the S-CHIP program. Incredibly, this means that 46 percent of Michigan’s funding allotment intended to give poor children health insurance actually went to cover adults. (Source-Tim Walberg-congressman from Michigan’s Seventh District.)

FACT FOUR:

Higher income levels instead of low income families- New Jersey:

The Senate bill states: "(B) - Exception - Subparagraph (A) [the limitation of the matching rate to the Medicaid rate for children whose effective income exceeds 300 percent of the Federal poverty level] shall not apply to any State that, on the date of enactment of the Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007, has an approved State Plan Amendment or waiver to provide, or has enacted a State law to submit a State plan amendment to provide, expenditures described in such subparagraph under the State child health plan." (Source- The SCHIP Bill)

The Senate SCHIP bill also grandfathers in New Jersey's program at 350 percent of the Federal poverty level, which includes children in families with incomes of $72,000 a year.

FACT FIVE: (Pointed out by Right Truth after going through the wording of the bill)

This bill would provide strong incentive for individuals and employers to dump private coverage and shift these costs to the taxpayers -- at an estimated cost of $74,000 per person annually. Here in Tennessee we watched a similar stampede to state-run coverage cripple the TennCare system. Another troubling component of the bill is the removal of the proof-of-citizenship requirements for enrollment. This provision, found in Section 211 (H.R. 976), is commonly referenced as the concerted effort to allow taxpayer subsidized healthcare to illegal immigrants.

FACT SIX: (Pointed out by Heading Right)

However, the Republicans haven’t given up. The GOP contingent on the House Energy And Commerce Committee have published some interesting data about the “children” — they’re awfully mature in many cases. Several states will spend more than 44% of their S-CHIP grants on adults in 2008, and that excludes pregnant women. In Michigan, that total goes to 71%. In most cases, the money gets spent on the parents more than the kids

Here are those states:

Illinois: 52.6% (51.2% parents)
Michigan: 71.6% (all childless adults)
Minnesota: 77.8% (all parents)
New Jersey: 54.6% (all parents)
New Mexico: 79% (26.7% parents, 52.3% childless adults)
Rhode Island: 52.4% (all parents)
Wisconsin: 43.9% (all parents)



The politicians and the left side of the blogosphere would love to keep focus of this issue on the Frost family, which proved FACT TWO, actually, the Democrats use of that family brought the problem of no "asset tests" to our attention, but the reason they would rather keep the focus on the family is so they can avoid the facts presented above.

Tomorrow, we must all call the numbers I am going to list here again, and continue to call them and tell our representatives to UPHOLD THE PRESIDENT'S VETO, until these issues are addressed and fixed within the bill so that SCHIP can do what it is intended to do and that is to cover low income children, not adults and not people that can afford private health insurance but choose not to.

The override vote is scheduled for October 18, so make sure your representatives know that we expect them to uphold the president's veto until the the language in this bill fixes it instead of expands on the problems listed above:

Make sure House Minority Leader John Boehner hears from you:

Washington Office:
1011 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-3508
Phone: (202) 225-6205
Fax: (202) 225-0704

Here is a list of those who voted no before and who we need to vote again to UPHOLD the President's veto.


AL-Robert Aderholt:
(202) 225-4876

AR-John Boozman
(202) 225-4301

CA-Brian Bilbray
(202) 225-0508

CA-John Doolittle
(202) 225-2511

CO-Marilyn Musgrave
(202) 225-4676

FL-Gus Bilirakis
(202) 225-5755

FL-Ginny Brown-Waite
(202) 225-1022

FL-Tom Feeney
(202) 225-2706

FL-Rick Keller
(202) 225-2176

IA-Tom Latham
(202) 225-5476

ID-Bill Sali
(202) 225-6611

IL-Judy Biggert
(202) 225-3515

IL-Tim Johnson
(202) 225-2371

IL-Peter Roskam
(202) 225-4561

IL-Jerry Weller
(202) 225-3635

LA-Rodney Alexander
(202) 225-8490

MD-Roscoe Bartlett
(202) 225-2721

MI- Joseph Knollenberg
(202) 225-5802

MI-Thaddeus McCotter
(202) 225-8171

MI-Tim Walberg
(202) 225-6276

MN-Michelle Bachmann
(202) 225-2331

MO-Sam Graves
(202) 225-7041

MO-Kenny Hulshof
(202) 225-2956

NC-Robin Hayes
(202) 225-3715

NJ-Rodney Frelinghuysen
(202) 225-5034

NJ-Scott Garrett
(202) 225-4465

NJ-Jim Saxton
(202) 225-4765

NV-Dean Heller
(202) 225-6155

NY-Thomas Reynolds
(202) 225-5265

NY-Randy Kuhl
(202) 225-3161

OH-Steve Chabot
(202) 225-2216

OR-Greg Walden
(202) 225-6730

PA-John Peterson
(202) 225-5121

TX-Kay Granger
(202) 225-5071

VA-Thelma Drake
(202) 225-4215

VA-Randy Forbes
(202) 225-6365

Call them Monday, then every single day until the 18th and make sure your message is heard, loud and clear.

UPHOLD THE PRESIDENT'S VETO until this bill is fixed so that it covers low income children and not adults, and not families that can afford private healthcare but simply choose not to.


All previous posts about SCHIP, on one page, can be found here.

Cross post from Wake Up America





Monday, October 8, 2007

The Politics of SCHIP...UPDATED




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UPDATES at the bottom!


This is a cross-post from Proprietor Nation, by request.

Republicans everywhere must start to face reality while vetoing SCHIP in its current form maybe good policy it makes for bad really bad politics. Last Saturday, Graeme Frost, 12, gave the Democratic response to the President's radio address...


Hi, my name is Graeme Frost. I'm 12 years old and I live in Baltimore,
Maryland. Most kids my age probably haven't heard of CHIP, the Children's Health
Insurance Program. But I know all about it, because if it weren't for CHIP, I
might not be here today.

"CHIP is a law the government made to help families like mine afford healthcare for their kids. Three years ago, my family was in a really bad car accident. My younger sister Gemma and I were both hurt. I was in a coma for a week and couldn't eat or stand up or even talk at first. My sister was even worse. I was in the hospital for five-and-a-half months and I needed a big surgery. For a long time after that, I had to go to physical therapy after school to get stronger. But even though I was hurt badly, I was really lucky. My sister and I both were.

"My parents work really hard and always make sure my sister and I have everything we need, but the hospital bills were huge. We got the help we needed because we had health insurance for us through the CHIP program.

"But there are millions of kids out there who don't have CHIP, and they wouldn't get the care that my sister and I did if they got hurt. Their parents might have to sell their cars or their houses, or they might not be able to pay for hospital bills at all.

"Now I'm back to school. One of my vocal chords is paralyzed so I don't talk the same way I used to. And I can't walk or run as fast as I did. The doctors say I can't play football any more, but I might still be able to be a coach. I'm just happy to be back with my friends.

"I don't know why President Bush wants to stop kids who really need help from getting CHIP. All I know is I have some really good doctors. They took great care of me when I was sick, and I'm glad I could see them because of the Children's Health Program.

"I just hope the President will listen to my story and help other kids to be as lucky as me. This is Graeme Frost, and this has been the Weekly Democratic Radio address. Thanks for listening."

Meanwhile, the Republicans were countering the sobering stats and concepts. (From Redstate)

First, the Democrat’s SCHIP bill extends benefits to illegal immigrants by lifting the requirement demanding program applicants prove their citizenship status. Second, the Democrat’s bill significantly expands SCHIP at taxpayer expense, inflating the cost from $35 billion to $110 billion. To pay for such a massive expansion, the Democrats will raise tobacco taxes on cigarette packs by $0.61 to $1, and taxes on cigars up to $3. Tobacco taxes are an extremely unstable and inadequate source of revenue for such a large program. In fact, it is estimated that 22 million people will need to take up smoking over the next five years to fund SCHIP at the levels passed in their bill.

Democrats argue that their plan will insure 5.8 million more children. They fail to mention that of those children 2 million, or 35 percent, would have otherwise been covered by private insurance. SCHIP was never designed for this. Instead of covering children whose parent’s incomes are at or below the poverty level, the Democrat’s plan expands the program far past its boundaries to families in excess of 300 percent above the poverty line who could make as much as $80,000 a year.

Gee, raw numbers and sobering statistics and logic versus a twelve year old...gee I wonder which side has the edge politically. Here are the latest raw numbers according to Rasmussen...

Sixty-five percent (65%) of American voters know that President Bush vetoed a bill expanding the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 8% mistakenly thought the President signed the bill while the rest were not sure.

Of those who knew of the veto, 57% disapproved and 31% supported the President’s action. Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Republicans approve of the President’s decision while 88% of Democrats disapprove. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 33% agree with the President and 50% do not.

Among all voters, 70% say it is Very Important to insure that all children under 18 have health insurance. This figure includes 83% of Democrats, 71% of unaffiliateds, and 54% of Republicans. Another 18% of all voters say it Somewhat Important to provide health insurance for all children.

By a 54% to 35% margin, voters believe it is fair to raise cigarette taxes to cover the cost of expanding the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. Sixty-two percent (62%) of Democrats believe this approach is fair along with 51% of unaffiliated voters and 49% of Republicans.

For anyone that supports the Republican party, those are the sobering numbers. Still, most Republicans and their supporters continue to have their heads in the sand. Here is how one blogger thought we should approach the issue... The Clay Empire

This legislation carries an especially punitive tax on handmade cigars - a tax that will unequivocally cause the cigar industry to atrophy. Don’t misunderstand, this isn’t about just paying a little more for cigars and showing a little compassion. With the stroke of a pen, if the House successfully overrides the veto, this legislation will wipe out many retailers and distributors, put in jeopardy thousands of American jobs and literally hundreds of thousands more in Central America. This legislation is the opposite of compassion, and punitive taxation without representation like this is tyrannical. This federal cigar tax is the single biggest threat the tiny cigar industry has ever faced and time is of the essence. Cigar enthusiasts of all political stripes - and clear-thinking people everywhere - need to band together right now to sustain the President’s veto.

Pressure your House Representative to sustain the veto - the House vote is expected to be extremely tight and the threat of overriding the President’s veto is very real.Click here to take action - urge your Congressmen to sustain the veto - the House vote is expected to be extremely tight and the threat of overriding the President’s veto is very real.

Well, with all due respect to this blogger, do they really think that most people are going to side with cigar manufacturers over little kids.

If the Republicans have any hope of turning this into anything but a hopeless loser politically then they must be able to turn the same base raw emotions that the Democrats have been using against them.

Thus, without further adieu, here is my advertisement in support of SCHIP veto.

(Imagine a manly voice over)

Everytime politicians, Democrat and Republicans, want to increase the size and scope of government, they trot out a group of victims, a group that the public at large can't say no to.

1929, when supply of crops was at unreasonably high levels causing the price of crops to tumble, President Hoover established the Federal Farm Board which bought crops from farmers in order to take those crops off the open market. What started as a 500 million dollar program is estimated to cost you the taxpayers 171 billion dollars in 2012.

1973, with many of our wildlife going extinct, President Nixon and the Democratic Congress, created the Endangered Species Act. What was meant as a way to protect endangered species has turned into one of the most powerful government programs. In fact, The government can take away citizens' property rights, prohibiting certain uses and any development if a property is designated "critical habitat."

ESA is "called by many the single most powerful law ever passed," by conservative environmental expert R.J. Smith.

The ESA program received $136.9 million for listing species, studies, and the like in 2004. However, a Fish & Wildlife spokeswoman estimated an additional $51.6 million would be spent in 2004 on enforcement. In 1997, Fish & Wildlife estimated, federal and state governments spent $301 million on "certain expenditures" related to endangered species, but no one has been able to estimate ESA's cost to the economy and personal liberty.

In 1972, President Nixon and the same Democratic Congress wanted to make sure that no one was discriminated based on sex in programs at schools that receive any federal funding and Title IX was born. The law says that if the student body of a college or university is 40% female, then 40% of its student-athletes should be female. The law is also interpreted as requiring equivalent facilities for male and female athletics. The practical result has been the wholesale elimination of many men's sports programs at many colleges.

Federal Title IX spending was be $88.3 million 2004. Schools will spend unknown additional millions seeking to comply, or dealing with Title IX lawsuits. Unknown numbers of athletes will not be able to play the sport of their choice.

Finally, after the market crash 1929 took the life savings of many retirees, President Roosevelt and the Democratic congress created a retirement savings plan known as Social Security. It was billed as programthat would provide for seniors who could not independently sustain themselves financially. The government imposes a 12.4% Social Security tax on the first $87,900 earned by every American. The worker pays half, 6.2% and the employer pays the other half. In return for these taxes, the government promises the taxpayer modest monthly payments when they reach retirement age 67.

In 2003, the Social Security Administration spent $509.4 billion, including $9 billion on administrative expenses and the unfunded liability of this program is estimated to be $10.5 trillion.

Now, Congress wants to expand SCHIP, a program that provides free health insurance to kids who can't afford it. The Democrats argue that their plan will insure 5.8 million more children. They fail to mention that of those children 2 million, or 35 percent, would have otherwise been covered by private insurance. Futhermore, SCHIP bill extends benefits to illegal immigrants by lifting the requirement demanding program applicants prove their citizenship status. Second, the Democrat’s bill significantly expands SCHIP at taxpayer expense, inflating the cost from $35 billion to $110 billion. To pay for such a massive expansion, the Democrats will raise tobacco taxes on cigarette packs by $0.61 to $1, and taxes on cigars up to $3. Tobacco taxes are an extremely unstable and inadequate source of revenue for such a large program. In fact, it is estimated that 22 million people will need to take up smoking over the next five years to fund SCHIP at the levels passed in their bill.

Finally, this bill threatens the thousands of cigar manufacturers all over the country that won't be able to afford to stay in business with the new sin tax.

Ronald Reagan once said "the nine most terrifying words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'". The new expansion of SCHIP is exactly what he was talking about. Please stand with the Republicans in re authorizing SCHIP in its current format. Don't let the Democratic Congress increase the size, scope and ultimately corruption of government by appealing to your kindest emotion.

(Please note most stats came from this left wing web site Push Hamburger. Politics does make for strange bedfellows)

All right, that is the advertisement. Let me know if you like it and how it can be approved.


Proprietor Nation will be a guest on Take Our Country Back Blog Talk Radio on 10/16/07.

UPDATED!! This is indeed interesting...

From Wake Up America

The 12 year old "whinings" were a fraud.

Freaking pathetic Democratic Party all around.

As I have said many, many, many times for at least 10 years or more, the DNC and the Leftinistra are bringing us closer and closer to the American Civil War Part Two.

Hang them all before it is too late.

[...]

Here is the "poor" 12 yr olds response to the President's Radio Address listed above, given before the actual veto.

TWELVE-YEAR-OLD CHIP PARTICIPANT ASKS PRESIDENT TO SIGN CHILDREN’S HEALTH RENEWAL INTO LAW

Washington, DC—Graeme Frost, 12, delivers this week’s Democratic Radio Address. Because of the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), Graeme was able to get the medical care he needed after a serious car accident caused severe brain trauma, paralyzed one of his vocal chords and put him in a coma. He asks President Bush to sign into law the renewal of CHIP that both houses of Congress passed this week with broad bipartisan support.

The text of the radio address, as delivered, is below:

“Hi, my name is Graeme Frost. I’m 12 years old and I live in Baltimore, Maryland. Most kids my age probably haven’t heard of CHIP, the Children’s Health Insurance Program. But I know all about it, because if it weren’t for CHIP, I might not be here today.

“CHIP is a law the government made to help families like mine afford healthcare for their kids. Three years ago, my family was in a really bad car accident. My younger sister Gemma and I were both hurt. I was in a coma for a week and couldn’t eat or stand up or even talk at first. My sister was even worse. I was in the hospital for five-and-a-half months and I needed a big surgery. For a long time after that, I had to go to physical therapy after school to get stronger. But even though I was hurt badly, I was really lucky. My sister and I both were.

“My parents work really hard and always make sure my sister and I have everything we need, but the hospital bills were huge. We got the help we needed because we had health insurance for us through the CHIP program.

“But there are millions of kids out there who don’t have CHIP, and they wouldn’t get the care that my sister and I did if they got hurt. Their parents might have to sell their cars or their houses, or they might not be able to pay for hospital bills at all.

“Now I’m back to school. One of my vocal chords is paralyzed so I don’t talk the same way I used to. And I can’t walk or run as fast as I did. The doctors say I can’t play football any more, but I might still be able to be a coach. I’m just happy to be back with my friends.

“I don’t know why President Bush wants to stop kids who really need help from getting CHIP. All I know is I have some really good doctors. They took great care of me when I was sick, and I’m glad I could see them because of the Children’s Health Program.

“I just hope the President will listen to my story and help other kids to be as lucky as me. This is Graeme Frost, and this has been the Weekly Democratic Radio address. Thanks for listening.”


The media jumped all over that 12 yr old and his plight and his plea, but they forgot one very important thing in their desire to further the Democratic politicians agenda.... FACT CHECKING.

Bonnie Frost works for a medical publishing firm; her husband, Halsey, is a woodworker. They are raising their four children on combined income of about $45,000 a year. Neither gets health insurance through work.


Once again, that was left up to bloggers, in this instance, someone from Free Republic (Hat Tip to The Corner) started digging, something the media as well as the Democrats didn't bother to do, obviously.

What the article does not mention is that Halsey Frost has owned his own company "Frostworks",since this marriage announcement in the NY Times in 1992 so he chooses to not give himself insurance. He also employed his wife as "bookkeeper and operations management" prior to her recent 2007 hire at the "medical publishing firm". As her employer, he apparently denied her health insurance as well.

His company, Frostworks, is located at 3701 E BALTIMORE ST. A building that was purchased for $160,000 in 1999. The buildings owner is listed as DIVERSIFIED INDUSTRIAL DESIGN CENTER, LLC whose mailing address is listed as 104 S Collington Ave which is the Frost's home. The commercial property he owns is also listed as the business address for another company called Reillys Designs which leads to the question of whether rental income is included in the above mentioned salary total

The current market value of their improved 3,040 SF home at 104 S Collington Ave is unknown but 113 S COLLINGTON AVE, also an end unit, sold for $485,000 this past March and it was only 2,060 SF. A photo taken in the family's kitchen shows what appears to be a recent remodeling job with granite counter tops and glass front cabinets

One has to wonder that if time and money can be found to remodel a home, send kids to exclusive private schools, purchase commercial property and run your own business... maybe money can be found for other things...maybe Dad should drop his woodworking hobby and get a real job that offers health insurance rather than making people like me (also with 4 kids in a 600sf smaller house and tuition $16,000 less per kid and no commercial property ownership) pay for it in my taxes.


OUCH.

Pretty much proves the points I made yesterday about the bill, instead of needing to expand the people and income levels made allowable, they needed to fix it so it will cover low income families (as it was created to do) and not higher income families that CAN afford private health coverage, but choose not to, so that they can mooch off the government (meaning those of us that pay taxes).

[...]


Simply amazing...




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