They BOO Ron Paul at Republican Debate

Title news first. Ron Paul received boos from the crowd at the Republican presidential debate. The only boos of the night, further evidence that the latest Zogby poll is representative when it says that 47% of the general population would never vote for Ron Paul, the highest number for any of the Republican presidential candidates.

His unpopularity is only topped by those that would never vote for Hillary Clinton, which is at 50%, Kucinich 49% and Gavel who ties with Ron Paul at 47%.

The top three are Democrats and then you have the Democrat in Republicans clothing...Ron Paul.

Ron Paul was repeatedly booed for comments on the war such as “over 70% of America wants the war over.”

Paul's rhetoric is very unpopular among Republican conservatives.

As the LA Times points out, Ron Paul is not the only Republican that has caught flack for anti-war rhetoric.

MOREHEAD CITY, N.C. — The Crystal Coast Republican Men's Club faithful were all smiles as they gathered at a restaurant to listen to their candidate for North Carolina's 3rd Congressional District.

But the warm reception wasn't for the Republican who since 1995 has represented this stretch of coast from the Virginia state line to the sprawling Marine base at Camp Lejeune. Rep. Walter B. Jones Jr., a soft-spoken, deeply religious man who two years ago turned against the Iraq war, was not there.

The GOP activists dining on fried fish were cheering Joe McLaughlin, a county commissioner and retired Army major who has launched a hard-charging bid to dispatch Jones in next year's primary by highlighting Jones' votes against the war.

Across the country, other Republican lawmakers who have broken with over the war are under fire from party loyalists.

In Maryland, Rep. Wayne Gilchrest -- who like Jones has backed Democratic proposals to set a timeline for withdrawing troops -- faces a well-funded Republican challenger. So too may congressmen in Florida and South Carolina who opposed the president's increase of troop levels.

Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska faced a primary challenge from the state's attorney general, who got into the race as Hagel escalated his criticism of the president's conduct of the war. Hagel announced last month that he won't run for reelection next year.

More examples:

In Florida, Rep. Ric Keller was labeled a "white flag Republican" by talk-show host Hugh Hewitt after he voted in February for the nonbinding resolution opposing the president's troop surge. Keller potentially faces two primary challengers, even though he has opposed every Democratic withdrawal plan.

There is talk of a possible primary challenge to South Carolina Rep. Bob Inglis. He also voted for the nonbinding resolution in February but has remained loyal to the party line since.

Gilchrest, a Vietnam War veteran who has represented Maryland's conservative 1st Congressional District since 1990 and strongly opposes the war, is trying to fend off a challenge from a state senator who has targeted Gilchrest's war votes and won the backing of numerous GOP officials, including former Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich.

Ron Paul shows he has no understanding of the "base" of Republican supporters, which is why he will not get near to winning the primary.

Back to the debate itself... some say McCain shined, others are very impressed with how hard hitting Fred Thompson was.

The transcript can be found at NYT and after going through it, a few comments stood out.

Many who have read this blog before, know I lean towards Fred Thompson, but I like Rudy Giuliani also, for different reasons and I have not personally decided who I will be endorsing.

This exchange between Rudy, Mitt and Fred did stand out from the beginning of the debate.

WALLACE: Gentlemen, good evening. You have all been arguing at long distance over the last week or two about who was the real Republican, who was the true conservative. I hope you will all be willing to discuss this directly with each other tonight.

Mayor Giuliani, Senator Thompson says that you're soft on abortion, that you're soft on gun control, and that you've never claimed to be a conservative.

Who is more conservative: you or Fred Thompson?

GIULIANI: I can't comment on Fred. I can tell you that George Will wrote a couple of years back, toward the end of my time of being mayor of New York City, that I ran the most conservative government in the United States in the last 50 or 60 years. So I would think that was a pretty good indication of the things that he was drawing on. I brought down crime more than anyone in this country -- maybe in the history of this country -- while I was mayor of New York City.

GIULIANI: I brought down taxes, $9 billion, cut them 23 times. I balanced the budget that was perennially out of balance; removed $2.3 billion surpluses -- deficits and replaced them with surpluses.

So there were many -- I drove pornography out of Times Square. There were many, many things about my governing of New York that particularly in that environment -- one of the most liberal cities in the country -- I had more success than anyone ever thought I could have with a city council that was 45 Democrats and, I think it was, six Republicans -- then it went down to five at one point.

GIULIANI: So I think that was a pretty darn good conservative record. I think, in every case, you can always find one exception or two to someone being absolutely conservative or absolutely this or absolutely that, but I think I had a heck of a lot of conservative results.

WALLACE: Governor Romney, Senator Thompson says that you run to the left of Teddy Kennedy in 1994, that you were proudly pro-choice, as recently as 2005, and that his philosophy doesn't depend on geography.

Who is more conservative: you or Fred Thompson?

ROMNEY: You know, this is a critical time for our nation and fore our party. We have to decide which direction we're going to head. And, in my view, we're going to have to bring together the same coalition that Ronald Reagan put together; conservatives fiscally, conservatives from a military standpoint and conservatives socially.

ROMNEY: And I believe that a candidate -- and all of us here are Republicans, all of us are trying to put together that same coalition, but it's essential that the strength of the house Ronald Reagan built is going to lead us to become the successful nation that we've always been, and our party to be successful.

Because we're not going to -- we're not going to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House by acting like Hillary Clinton.

Now, I'm proud of my record. Not just of the words, but of the record of the governor of Massachusetts. Like Mayor Giuliani I had a tough state to be running in. I was a conservative Republican in a very Democrat state. My legislature, 85 percent Democrat. We face a $3 billion budget gap. We solved it without raising taxes, without adding debt.

We solved the problem in health care in our state not by having government take it over, the way Hillary Clinton would -- with private free-enterprise approaches.

My approach, I believe, is best for our nation.

(APPLAUSE)

WALLACE: Senator -- Senator Thompson, have these two guys convinced you that you're wrong and that, in fact, they are both consistent conservatives?

THOMPSON: Well, we've got an hour and a half.

Maybe they can work on it.

(LAUGHTER)

But, they...

(APPLAUSE)

Actually, Mitt, I didn't know there was any room to the left of Ted Kennedy, but maybe there...

(LAUGHTER)

In fact, I didn't know there was any room to the right of him, either, but maybe...

(LAUGHTER)

I was conservative as soon as I put down Conscience of a Conservative when I was in the college.

I came back to a little home town of Lawrenceburg, Tennessee, started the first Young Republicans Club.

In eight years -- in eight years in the United States Senate, I fought for tax cuts, a balanced budget, and welfare reform, all of which we achieved, and I also fought for judges who would abide by the Constitution and the law and not make it up as they went along.

(APPLAUSE)

All that time, I compiled a 100 percent pro-life voting record. Now, both of...

(APPLAUSE)

They're only giving me a minute here. So both of these gentlemen have done some good things in their respective jobs they've had.

But you mentioned Mayor Giuliani first. Mayor Giuliani believes in federal funding for abortion. He believes in sanctuary cities. He's for gun control. He supported Mario Cuomo, a liberal Democrat, against a Republican who was running for governor; then opposed the governor's tax cuts when he was there.

So I simply disagree with him those issues. And he sides with Hillary Clinton on each of those issues I just mentioned.

They came out swinging, which is good, it keeps the audience lively.

McCain had a statement too that struck a chord from the crowd:

WALLACE: Senator McCain, if I may -- Senator McCain, you didn't like it much when Governor Romney said recently that he spoke for the Republican wing of the Republican party.

Who's more conservative: you or Mitt Romney?

MCCAIN: I think it's pretty obvious that that statement was a paraphrase of Howard Dean's statement about the Democrat party.

The fact is, I'm running on my record as a reliable conservative of 24 years. And the indicators of that, obviously, is that I've fought wasteful spending, I have had a strong and a long relationship on national security, I've been involved in every national crisis that this nation has faced since Beirut, I understand the issues, I understand and appreciate the enormity of the challenge we face from radical Islamic extremism.

I am prepared. I am prepared. I need no on-the-job training.

I wasn't a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn't a governor for a short period of time. For 20-some years, including leading the largest squadron in the United States Navy, I led. I didn't manage for profit, I led for patriotism.

There are 21 pages to that NYT transcript, I have only highlighted a couple things that instantly struck me about the candidates I lean towards.

After reading all of the transcript, I would have to say Thompson and McCain came out ahead, in this debate.

There will be dozens more debates before the 2008 elections, any politicians from either party can stick their foot in their mouths at any given moment and blow their chances, so it is still too early for me to to determine who I will endorse.

Some other reactions to the Republican Debate last night:

FullosseousFlap's Dental Blog:

Rasmussen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

* Rudy - 24%

* Fred Thompson - 19%

* Mitt Romney - 16%

* John McCain - 12%

* Mike Huckabee - 8%

Rudy Giuliani is now supported by 24% of Likely Republican Primary Voters while Fred Thompson is the top choice for 19%. Mitt Romney is the favorite for 16% while John McCain is at 12% and Mike Huckabee has 8% support. (see recent daily numbers). No other candidates attracted more than 2% of the vote.

This poll did not include Sam Brownback for the past three nights of polling.

The Tygrrrr Express gave a great rundown on the whole debate, calling it a "Relevant Republican Debate and ended with this:

Fred Thompson was sharp, Rudy Giuliani nailed the education question, and the crowd loved any anti-Hillary red meat. McCain is a fine man, but just does not sell himself well. Romney spoke in generalities and did not offer specifics. Huckabee did not help or hurt himself. The other candidates offer so little that I almost turned on the baseball game. I then remembered it was baseball, and at least Rupaul is entertaining.

Thompson and Giuliani won this debate.

Techpresident points us to a YouTube Clip of McCain speaking about the ridiculous measure from Hillary Clinton to give a million dollars to the Woodstock Museum (For those unaware, McCain was held as a prisoner of war when that event was held)


He deserved that standing ovation, great line!!!

Captain's Quarters gives the debate to McCain, although he thinks Fred did better in this debate than in his first one:

The top four candidates all fared well, at least on the transcript. I'd have to say that Thompson did even better than in his first debate. He answered Giuliani's criticism of his earlier votes on tort reform by arguing for federalism, and he skewered the laziness smear effectively. Giuliani gave the classic Rudy approach, with "You gotta be kidding me" when Brit Hume suggested that people see no difference between Hillary and himself. Romney scored points for himself when he noted that Hillary has never run anything in her life, while he has run a state, a successful business, and an Olympics that had almost collapsed from the weight of its own corruption.

This debate, however, went to John McCain. He gave better answers on the specifics of foreign policy. He noted that his leadership has been tested in ways that none of the candidates on stage with him have ever had to face. He gave perhaps the best response to Hillary Clinton by noting her efforts to provide earmarks to the Woodstock Museum went beyond his understanding because he was "tied up at the time" of the concert -- as a POW in North Vietnam. But even more than that, McCain sounded -- on paper -- like the senior statesman on stage. He sounded confident, bold, and well prepared.

Right Wing News has a full analysis also, declaring Thompson the winner, saying Giuliani as #2, McCain as #3, Romney #4, Huckabee #5, Hunter #6, Tancredo #7 and declaring Ron Paul as the LOSER!!!!

Then again, stop the presses because Chuck Norris has picked the next president. LOL (Can I ask why anyone cares?)

Here are some links to people that Live Blogged the Debate:

Pajamas Media
MY Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
The Fred File
Fred Heads

If you know anyone else that liveblogged the debate and you want them seen too, leave the URL in the comments and I will add them to this list.

(Note to Ron Paul fans: As far as my blog is concerned, Ron Paul is a certifiably insane freak and anyone that doesn't like that can pound sand. Save your insane ramblings and indignation for someone who cares and don't piss and moan to me about your free speech rights in MY BLOG's comment section because your free speech allows you to say what you want, or go write your own blog, but those rights do NOT trump MY OWNERSHIP rights for this blog)

In other words, to be clear, if you don't like what I have to say about Ron Paul....TOUGH. There is a little X in the top right hand corner of this window, click it and do not let the proverbial door hit you on the ass on your way out.

Cross posted from Wake up America

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Notice To anti-Americanists And Soros Hinder Parts Kissers

This was a front page story in yesterday's Los Angeles Times about the potential electoral trouble that Rep. Walter Jones is now in because of his joining forces with Dennis Kucinich and MoveOn.org on the Iraq War. Looks like McLaughlin (his primary opponent) is continuing to run a good campaign.

The notice is this:

Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! The Silent Majority is no longer silent and we outnumber you 200 to 1. All we hear from your genre of fools is that the GOP is falling apart and more and more Republican seats in the House of Ill Repute, aka CONgress are up for grabs. You are correct and here is why.

We give absolutely NO quarter to cowards, flakes, wimps, fools, socialists, communists, hate America groups, blame America first groups and any other deranged and moronic doltish cad groups such as any number of moonbat groups you claim to uphold.

We are sick and tired of your kind and in case you haven't noticed, your momentum has been squashed time and time again. Every time you meet to whine and regurgitate your filth, we outnumber you by wide margins. You cannot spin your way any longer. We are on to you and your moppets in DC and your individual states.

Your days are numbered and we are coming after you. Count on it. Get used to it. No one listens to your crap any longer.

Case in point:

[...]

The GOP activists dining on fried fish were cheering Joe McLaughlin, a county commissioner and retired Army major who has launched a hard-charging bid to dispatch Jones in next year's primary by highlighting Jones' votes against the war.

"His is a message of despair, a message of defeat," McLaughlin told the appreciative crowd as he derided Jones, accusing him of abandoning the troops, President Bush, even talk-show host Rush Limbaugh.

Jones, who has never had a primary challenge but is being abandoned by GOP officials across his district, is not alone.

Across the country, other Republican lawmakers who have broken with over the war are under fire from party loyalists.

[...]

There is some spin here that has been duly noted, seeing that a Leftinistra run news outlet has started to whine...again. They call us Party Loyalists. Fine. If that is what you wish to call us, go for it. That lie is yours and yours alone.

The message is this. We are sick and tired of pandering and catering to the defeatists that want to give this country away. We are sick and tired of having Representatives of "We The People" NOT representing "We The People" but representing "Us The Politicians". We The people dictate to CONgress that which WE want, not the other way around.

In case you haven't noticed, the career politicians are being bracketed, targeted and we are firing for affect and, it is indeed working.

This country has been attacked and war has been declared on us, not the other way around. As for the illegal war charge, if that was indeed the case, heads would have rolled by now and that is clearly NOT the case, in case you haven't noticed.

Pay attention to this one, fools:

[...]

The revolt could cost Jones and a handful of other members of Congress their seats next year. It also helps explain why the stalled Democratic legislative campaign to end the war is unlikely to revive any time soon.

[...]

Did you hear that loud and clear? Good. now, STFD and STFU.

Here is another case of the whining spin tactic that no longer works yet is transmitted as if it is true:

[...]

"Republicans have to be cognizant of where their base is," said pollster Bob Wickers, whose company has worked with Republican candidates in a dozen states in recent years.

While most Americans want U.S. troops out of Iraq, Republicans remain solidly behind the president and the war. A recent CBS News survey found 58% of Republicans approve of the way Bush is handling the war, compared with just 5% of Democrats and 20% of independents.

[...]

Whereas a part of the above is true, the Soros sucking spin machines leave out a very critical part and piece of the puzzle. We, including myself, do indeed want our troops out but herein is the major part of the AWOL pieces...we want them out as soon as they WIN THE WAR! The troops in place want to WIN THE WAR, despite the ignorant rants of the losers of Vets Against The War, and other such anti-Americanist groups, most of which are liars, cheaters and political aspirants and receive fundings from KNOWN socialist craving entities.

Read the rest of that oozing drivel full of infectious slobber from a whining "journalist" repeating the plethora of the loser mentality ways and means.

Our message is clear and the Leftinistra hate it. They have been on the wrong side of this war issue from the onset, due to political aspirations, the troops and national security be damned.

AQ is on the run and they are nervous and scared. And, they should be. Their friends here in our political arena are unable to wrangle defeat from the jaws of victory for them and they have lost their momentum as well. They are on their own, much like our own home-grown loons on the left.

Catch the wave

Track back: Wake Up America

Michael Yon...Resistance is Futile

I do believe that this dispatch, if not the best so far, it should be ranked way up the food chain of dispatches.

In all of the self-absorbed politicos, vainly trying to paint a doom and gloom picture of the war, we have men like Michael Yon setting the story straight.

Resistance is Futile

October 22, 2007

Resistance is futile: You will be (mis)informed.

All describe the bizarro-world contrast between what most Americans seem to think is happening in Iraq versus what is really happening in Iraq. Knowing this disconnect exists and experiencing it directly are two separate matters. It’s like the difference between holding the remote control during the telecast of a volcanic eruption on some distant island (and then flipping the channel), versus running for survival from a wretch of molten lava that just engulfed your car.

I was at home in the United States just one day before the magnitude hit me like vertigo: America seems to be under a glass dome which allows few hard facts from the field to filter in unless they are attached to a string of false assumptions. Considering that my trip home coincided with General Petraeus’ testimony before the US Congress, when media interest in the war was (I’m told) unusually concentrated, it’s a wonder my eardrums didn’t burst on the trip back to Iraq. In places like Singapore, Indonesia, and Britain people hardly seemed to notice that success is being achieved in Iraq, while in the United States Britney was competing for airtime with O.J. in one of the saddest sideshows on Earth.

[...]

No thinking person would look at last year’s weather reports to judge whether it will rain today, yet we do something similar with Iraq news. The situation in Iraq has drastically changed, but the inertia of bad news leaves many convinced that the mission has failed beyond recovery, that all Iraqis are engaged in sectarian violence, or are waiting for us to leave so they can crush their neighbors. This view allows our soldiers two possible roles: either “victim caught in the crossfire” or “referee between warring parties.” Neither, rightly, is tolerable to the American or British public.

Today I am in Iraq, back in a war of such strategic consequence that it will affect generations yet unborn—whether or not they want it to. Hiding under the covers will not work, because whether it is good news or bad, whether it is true or untrue, once information is widely circulated, it has such formidable inertia that public opinion seems impervious to the corrective balm of simple and clear facts.

[...]

See what I mean? Click the link and read the rest.

As most of us do receive emails from Michael Yon, here is the email we all received announcing and explaining this latest dispatch:

Greetings:

It is clear that Iraq is turning a corner. Not only are Sunni and Shia talking here in Baghdad, but the fighting definitely is abating. I'll be out in Sunni and Shia neighborhoods all day Tuesday and Wednesday. Petraeus' ideas are starting to work.

I've been watching for days as LTC Patrick Frank pulls neighborhoods together here in the Rashid district of Baghdad. We've been swamped going to reconciliation meetings. ( Spent hours in meetings today. ) LTC Frank is one of many battalion commanders I have seen who are winning in their zones. A Washington Post writer was here for several days and his observations were similar.

Again, I suggest to media to get in touch with Infantry battalion commanders around Iraq. They are the sweet-spot on the ups and downs in Iraq.

I am working with the National Newspaper Association to get the increasingly good news about Iraq to a wider audience. This is described in the latest dispatch, Resistance is Futile. With reader support, this effort can get current news from the ground in Iraq in to 2700 daily and weekly newspapers in the US.

Michael

Baghdad

Catch the wave

QandO | Iraq as an election issue in 2008 - thoughts based on Michael Yon’s reporting

Oct 22, 2007, 4:50am I was reading this Michael Yon post when an idea occurred to me. Yon said:"No thinking person would look at last year's weather reports to judge whether it will rain today, yet...

Take Our Country Back | Michael Yon...Resistance is Futile

Oct 22, 2007, 5:25am I do believe that this dispatch, if not the best so far, it should ranked way up the food chain of dispatches.Resistance is Futile October 22, 2007 Resistance is futile: You will be (mis)informed.All describe the bizarro-world contrast between what most Americans seem to...

Captain's Quarters | The Dogma Dome

Oct 22, 2007, 7:34am Michael Yon has grown frustrated with American and European coverage of the war in Iraq. He has experienced the vast gulf that has opened between the...

Hot Air | Michael Yon to media: Will you publish the truth about Iraq if I give it to you for free?

Oct 22, 2007, 7:45am No joke. So despairing is he of the gap between what he's seeing on the ground versus what he's seeing in the papers, especially in Basra, that he's...

Instapundit | Untitled Post from October 22, 2007

Oct 22, 2007, 8:30am MICHAEL YON WRITES ON "The bizarro-world contrast between what most Americans seem to think is happening in Iraq versus what is really happening in Iraq."...

NRO's The Corner | "America seems to be under a glass dome which allows few hard facts from the field to filter in unless they are attached to a string of false assumptions."

Oct 22, 2007, 8:42am Here's Michael Yon's latest.

Bookworm Room | The unbridgeable chasm between the MSM and reality

Oct 22, 2007, 9:03am ...blogs at Thought You'd Never Ask, used my anatomy of the faux Rush Limbaugh scandal to give us the heads up about Michael Yon's most recent post, Resistance is Futile. It's a fabulous post, truly fabulous, and the sole reference to it at my blog does not deserve to be buried in a comments section, but...

Black Five | Mike Yon on the Media

Oct 22, 2007, 10:14am ...reports about the Brits were not true (we linked to his piece about it here). We also discussed the end of Al Qaeda and operations about Iran. Mike Yon writes more about the media here and has an idea to help solve the information gap:...No thinking person would look at last year's weather reports to judge whether it will...

The Worldwide Standard | Daily Blog Buzz: Hey MSM, What's Happening in Iraq?

Oct 22, 2007, 12:14pm Via Instapundit, blogger Michael Yon writes from Iraq today about "the bizarro-world contrast between what most Americans seem to think is happening in Iraq versus what is really happening in Iraq." He...

Black Five | Mike Yon on the Media

Oct 22, 2007, 1:20pm ...reports about the Brits were not true (we linked to his piece about it here). We also discussed the end of Al Qaeda and operations about Iran. Mike Yon writes more about the media here and has an idea to help solve the information gap:...No thinking person would look at last year's weather reports to judge whether it will...

Michelle Malkin | Michael Yon's mission

Harry Reid's Legacy

Let this be a lesson to all folks like Dingy Reid when they cater and pander to a small group of loud-mouthed old used up hippies when the Silent Majority finally wakes up and says hell no...

I am going to lump the onslaught all together here and then y'all can head over to Memeorandum and catch the wave for those I have missed.

Las Vegas Review-Journal:

SHERMAN FREDERICK: Not so wild about Harry — Is Nevada turning on its lion in the winter? — The political headline of last week, "Reid's popularity falls among Nevadans," wasn't all that surprising. Nevada's never been particularly wild about Harry Reid.

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Bithead / BitsBlog: The Lion in Winter? — Sherman Fredrick in the Las Vegas Review Journal:

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Gaius / Blue Crab Boulevard: The Daschle Effect — A devastating signed editorial …

Deacon / Power Line: REID IT AND WEEP — Harry Reid's favorability rating in Nevada …

JammieWearingFool: Nevada Turning on Dingy Harry


Uh, Harry? The majority of the people say what, now?

And don't forget to sign the petition to have Harry impeached, recalled or otherwise removed from office.

He is an international embarrassment and he knows it.

Today In History

This is another history catch up post


10/18

1685King Louis XIV of France revoked the Edict of Nantes, which had established the legal toleration of France's Protestant population, the Huguenots.

1767 The boundary between Maryland and Pennsylvania, the Mason-Dixon line, was agreed upon.

1867The United States took possession of Alaska from Russia.

1892The first long distance telephone line between Chicago and New York was opened.

1898The American flag was raised in Puerto Rico shortly before Spain formally relinquished control of the island to the United States.

1944 Soviet troops invaded Czechoslovakia during World War II.

1968	The U.S. Olympic Committee suspended two black athletes, Tommie Smith and John Carlos, for giving a "black power" salute as a protest during a victory ceremony in Mexico City.
AP Photo

1977 West German commandos stormed a hijacked Lufthansa jetliner on the ground in Mogadishu, Somalia, freeing all 86 hostages and killing three of the four hijackers.

2001 Four defendants were convicted in New York for the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa.

2001It was announced that a New Jersey letter carrier and an employee in CBS news anchorman Dan Rather's office had tested positive for skin anthrax.

2006 The Dow Jones industrial average passed 12,000 for the first time before pulling back to close at 11,992.68.



10/19

AP Highlight in History: On Oct. 19, 1987, the stock market crashed as the Dow Jones Industrial Average plunged 508 points, or 22.6 percent - its second biggest percentage drop. Read the original AP story

AP Photo/Peter Morgan

1765The Stamp Act Congress, meeting in New York, drew up a declaration of rights and liberties.

781 British troops under Lord Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown, Va., as the American Revolution neared its end.

1812French forces under Napoleon Bonaparte began a retreat from Moscow.

1944The Navy announced that black women would be allowed into the Women Accepted for Volunteer Emergency Service (WAVES).

1950 United Nations forces entered the North Korean capital of Pyongyang.

1951President Harry S. Truman signed an act formally ending the state of war with Germany.

1960The United States imposed an embargo on exports to Cuba.

1969Vice President Spiro T. Agnew referred to anti-Vietnam War protesters "an effete corps of impudent snobs."

Vice President Spiro T. Agnew

AND HE WAS CORRECT!!!

2001Two Army Rangers were killed in a helicopter crash in Pakistan in the first combat-related American deaths of the military campaign in Afghanistan.

001It was announced that a New Jersey postal worker and a New York Post employee had tested positive for skin anthrax.

2004Insurgents in Iraq abducted Margaret Hassan, the local director of CARE International, from her car in Baghdad. (Hassan was later slain by her captors.)

2005 A defiant Saddam Hussein pleaded innocent to charges of premeditated murder and torture at his trial in the former headquarters of his Baath Party in Baghdad.

2006Gunmen ambushed a car carrying Afghan civilians working for a U.S. military base in Afghanistan, killing eight of them execution-style.

2006 The Dow Jones industrial average closed above 12,000 for the first time, ending at 12,011.73.



10/20

AP Highlight in History: On Oct. 20, 1967, seven of 18 defendants were convicted in Mississippi of violating the civil rights of three young men who were murdered while trying to help blacks register to vote in 1964.

AP Photo/Jack Thornell

1944	Gen. Douglas MacArthur stepped ashore at Leyte in the Philippines, 2 1/2 years after he'd said, "I shall return."
AP Photo

1947 The House Un-American Activities Committee opened hearings into alleged Communist influence in the motion picture industry.

And we need to do it again!

1973 Special Watergate prosecutor Archibald Cox and Deputy Attorney General William B. Ruckelshaus were fired and Attorney General Elliot L. Richardson resigned in the so-called Saturday Night Massacre.

1977 Three members of the rock band Lynyrd Skynyrd were killed in the crash of a chartered plane near McComb, Miss.

2000Egyptian-born Ali Mohamed, a U.S. citizen who'd served in the Army, pleaded guilty in New York to helping plan the deadly U.S. embassy bombings in Africa in 1998 that killed 224 people, including 12 Americans.

2004A U.S. Army staff sergeant, Ivan "Chip" Frederick, pleaded guilty to abusing Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison. (Frederick was sentenced to eight years in prison.)

2005A defense lawyer in Saddam Hussein's mass murder trial was abducted from his office and found murdered hours later.



10/21

AP Highlight in History: On Oct. 21, 1917, American soldiers first saw action in World War I on the front lines in France.

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1797The U.S. Navy frigate Constitution, also known as Old Ironsides, was launched in Boston Harbor.

1805 A British fleet commanded by Adm. Horatio Nelson defeated a French and Spanish fleet in the Battle of Trafalgar; Nelson, however, was killed.

1967Tens of thousands of Vietnam War protesters marched in Washington, D.C.

1988 A federal grand jury in New York indicted former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos and his wife, Imelda, on charges of fraud and racketeering.

2001Washington postal worker Thomas L. Morris Jr. died of inhaled anthrax.

2002A car packed with explosives blew up next to a bus in northern Israel during rush hour; 14 people were killed in addition to two suicide attackers.

2003 The U.N. General Assembly overwhelmingly approved a resolution demanding that Israel tear down a barrier jutting into the West Bank.



10/22

AP Highlight in History: On Oct. 22, 1962, President John F. Kennedy announced an air and naval blockade of Cuba, following the discovery of Soviet missile bases on the island. President John F. Kennedy

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1797French balloonist Andre-Jacques Garnerin made the first parachute descent, landing safely from a height of about 3,000 feet.

1928 Republican presidential nominee Herbert Hoover spoke of the "American system of rugged individualism" in a speech at New York's Madison Square Garden.

1954 West Germany joined the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

1979The U.S. government allowed the deposed Shah of Iran to travel to New York for medical treatment.

2001Washington postal worker Joseph P. Curseen died of inhaled anthrax.

2004 In a wrenching videotaped statement, kidnapped aid worker Margaret Hassan begged Britain to help save her by withdrawing its troops from Iraq, saying these "might be my last hours." (Hassan was later killed by her captors.)

NYT...Save The Planet

From what? Al Gore The Fraud?

People often ask: I want to get greener, what should I do? New light bulbs? A hybrid? A solar roof? Well, all of those things are helpful. But actually, the greenest thing you can do is this: Choose the right leaders. It is so much more important to change your leaders than change your light bulbs.

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Here is a clue. Save the planet, the world and the universe and don't vote for a socialist/Leninist or an idiot that won't wear a pin in fear of upsetting a minority fruit loop brigade and cannot act correctly when the National Anthem is playing.

And that is only a start. I am ALL for low emissions and all of that but to guise Bush Bashing in the retardedness of the Global Warming Myth is typical of the low-class NYSlimes.

Good grief.

Get a clue.

DON'T EAT THE GREEN! IT'S PEOPLE!!

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The Lying Wlsons and The Leaker Armitage

I am just wondering when this fraud duo is ever going to get hung out to dry from their feigned misery over their self-induced bullshit.

And, when is Armitage going to pay for the crime of outing a non-issue CIA tax money sucker?

Get a load of this tripe:

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Watching myself on 60 Minutes was surreal -- who can ever get used to seeing themselves on TV? I guess the book tour has really started and it will be a crazy week ahead. After four and a half years and everyone else in world talking about me, it feels good to finally be able to tell my story myself. It's a story about the consequences of speaking truth to power and the critical importance of holding our government to account for its words and deeds.

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Question. Who is going to hold this idiot responsible for its words and deeds?

What a pair of losers.

And the Crooks and Liars are at it again...morons all. Grasping at soggy straws to hide their Leftinistra decay is quite sad, no?

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Hillary's Ship Is On Fire

Someone once said that never before has a presidential aspirant been elected to the Presidency of The United States when their approval ratings are overshadowed by their disapproval ratings.

Now, we see that Hillary's approval ratings are at 50% nationwide and her disapproval ratings are at 50%. Gee. Why then, is she still going? Could it be that she has the gift of gab?

Also, now we have a video that the Lame Stream Media will not air. The link was sent to me from one of my readers and I thank Mike M for it. The video is quite long for a video...about 13 minutes...odd that, isn't it? 13? Curious.

We have Hillary exposing her surveillance hypocrisies and in the GOP Debate this evening, Huckabee said that Hillary, if she took her lips off of the backsides of Soros, she might be able to get some fresh air.

In the last DNC Debate, Hillary and all of the other sponges of Soros fundings, told their trolls and blind followers that the troops would be in Iraq until at least 2013 and just last week, Hillary the Fraud told some folks that when she is elected she will pull the troops out immediately. Do we really need a psychopath in the White House?

I think it would be just swell if the DNC Candidates kept on doing what they are doing. That drop into the Abyss of Obscurity will be all the more sweeter.

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Hillary's $1M Drug Addict and Anti War Museum Porker

Yes, I know, this is old news and all but it came up in the GOP Debate this evening and Senator McCain presented and excellent rendering of his opinion.

I remember the Woodstock era and they were the smelly hippies of our time then and to build a museum honoring the anti-establishment, anti-war and anti-Americanists of that time, is all too telling to me and Hillary does not deserve to even think about running for President, let alone be the President of the United States.

I sure am glad that the museum honoring cowards and drug addicts won't be built.

He said when he was asked about this tribute, that he thinks that no one that supports such spending as this can be the President and he also said that he was not in attendance at Woodstock because he was tied up at the time. Here is the exact quote:

“I wasn’t there. I’m sure it was a cultural and pharmaceutical event. I was tied up at the time."

In case you are not in touch with current events, Senator McCain was a POW in North Vietnam at the time Woodstock was taking place.

That got him the ONLY standing ovation during the debate.

Good on John McCain. I think that with a little more "soap box" antics, John McCain will rise to the occasion.

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News Via MEMRI

Jihadist/Islamist Websites and Their Hosts (List III): Websites Supporting Jihad in Iraq – Hosted in the West

On August 10, 2007, MEMRI posted a list of Islamist websites, forums, and blogs which support warfare against Coalition forces in Iraq and promote jihadist incitement and propaganda.(1) This report presents additional websites which promote a similar anti-Coalition agenda, and a list of websites from the previous list that are still hosted by ISPs in the West.


Websites and Forums Associated With Terrorist Organizations

1. Website associated with the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI), i.e. with Al-Qaeda in Iraq
http://sadcom.montadamoslim.com/
ISP: SoftLayer Technologies Inc.; TX, USA

2. The official website of Kata'ib Thawrat Al-'Ishrin
http://kataeb-20.org/main/
ISP: Layered Technologies, Inc.; TX, USA

3. The official website of Saraya Sa'd Ibn Abi Waqas
http://www.sarayasaad.com/
ISP: Liquid Web Inc.; MI, USA

4. The official website of 'Assa'ib Al-Iraq Al-Jihadiyya
http://www.asaeb.net/
ISP: RIPE Network Coordination Centre; Amsterdam, NL


Websites, Forums and Blogs Supportive of Jihad in Iraq

1. Shabkat Qawafil Al-Islam – Features a bulletin board for ISI communiqués
http://kwaflislam.com/vb/index.php
ISP: Layered Technologies, Inc.; TX, USA

2. Shabkat Al-Mujahideen Al-Electroniyya – Posts communiqués by jihad groups in Iraq
http://majahd.quickbb.net/index.htm
ISP: SoftLayer Technologies Inc.; TX, USA

3. Minbar Al-Ru'ya Al-Wataniyya Al-Munahidha lil-Ihtilal- Posts videos and messages by jihad groups in Iraq
http://www.iraqipa.net/
ISP: SURFTOWNDK, Lyngby, Denmark

4. Subhanaka forum – Posts communiqués by jihad groups in Iraq
http://sobhank.com/vb/
ISP: ADDD2NET COM INC DBA LUNARPAGES; CA, USA

5. Multaqa Al-'Awda Al-Jihadi – Features a bulletin board for videos by Islamist Iraqi groups
http://al3wda.com/vb/index.php
ISP: SoftLayer Technologies Inc.; TX, USA

6. Shabkat Al-Furqan Al-Islamiyya – Posts communiqués by jihad groups in Iraq
http://alforqan.ingoo.us/
ISP: SoftLayer Technologies Inc.; TX, USA

7. Website devoted to Al-Zarqawi
http://www.alamer.biz/ameer/home.html
ISP: Electric Lightwave Inc.; WA, USA

8. Blog devoted to jihad in Iraq
http://kjgafd.blogspot.com/
ISP: Google Inc.; CA, USA


Websites and Forums From Previous MEMRI List Still Hosted by ISPs in the West

Islamic Front of Iraqi Resistance
http://www.jaami.info/
ISP: Schlund + Partner AG, D-76135; Karlsruhe, Germany

Juba Online
www.juba-online.blogspot.com
ISP: Google Inc., CA, USA

Al-Jaysh Al-Islami
http://www.iaisite.info/index.php
ISP: Zipa LLC; LA, USA

Al-Basra Minbar Al-'Iraq
http://www.albasrah.net/index.php
ISP: nodo50.net; Madrid, Spain

Jaysh Al-Taifa Al-Mansura
http://www.algyshalmnsur.r8.org/
ISP: SMV McLean; VA, USA

Jaysh Rijal Al-Tariqa Al-Naqshabandiya
http://www.alnakshabandia-army.org/home/
ISP: ThePlanet.com Internet Services Inc.; TX, USA

Muntadayat Al-Mustaqbal Al-Islami
http://www.islamic-f.net/vb/
ISP: United Colocation Group Inc.; CA, USA

Dawriyyat Al-'Iraq
http://www.iraqpatrol.com/php/
ISP: Performance Systems International Inc.; DC, USA

Blog devoted to communiqués by Iraq organization
http://www.ansar-aljehad.blogspot.com/
ISP: Google Inc.; CA, USA

Blog devoted to Iraqi terrorist organizations
http://aboaumir.modawanati.com/
ISP: Carpathia Hosting, VA, USA

Blog featuring video messages by prominent Islamist figures (e.g. Al-Zarqawi)
http://almagribi.blogspot.com/
ISP: Google Inc.; CA, USA

Al-Nour forum
http://www.alnour.hyperphp.com/vb/
ISP: eNET Inc.; OH, USA

Al-Faluja forum
http://www.al-faloja.info/vb/index.php
ISP: ZipServers Inc.; OK, USA

Website of Al-Jabha Al-Islamiyya Lil-Muqawama Al-Iraqiyya
http://www.jaami.info/
ISP: SCHLUND-CUSTOMERS; Germany

Endnote:
(1) See MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 1678, "Jihadist/Islamist Websites and Their Hosts (List II): Websites Supporting the Jihad in Iraq – Hosted in the U.S.," August 10, 2007,
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=jihad&ID=SP167807.



When was the last time anyone has seen a by-God Christian Organization promoting using children as vessels of murder? MEMRI brings you The Religion of Pieces...Islam.
Narrator: "We continue to march with little Amjad. We continue to march with little Amjad."

Children singing in the background: “We are not afraid of the soldiers, we are all steadfast. We are not afraid of the soldiers; we are all steadfast in this land... in this land... We demand our right, and we carry our school bags, We demand our right, and we carry our school bags. On our way we take the risk, and hide stones next to notebooks.”

Girl child singing in background: “My little brothers, how long will we continue to let the occupier us by hunger and siege?”

Chorus: “By hunger and by siege...”

Girl: “By killing and destruction...”

Chorus: “No to the oppression and to the occupation, oh child killer. No to the oppression and to the occupation, oh child killer. The army of immorality will not defeat the stone. The army of immorality will not defeat the stone no matter how much you shoot.”

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Is that weird or what? OK. Let us, for the sake of making a point, that we are killing the children on purpose. The Islamic Menace is promoting the utilization of children to murder by blowing themselves up. Does anyone see the Double Standard there? No wonder our own Leftinistra loves these sick bastards so much. And, along those same lines, no wonder the terrorists love our own Leftinistra so much.

Every one of substance already knows we are not doing the atrocities the enemies within and the enemies without are saying we do. If we were, the evidence would be overwhelmingly presented and this is simply not the case.

When the West depicts Muslim life via cartoons, the MooSlimes get all wound up. However, if THEY do it, it is OK. Imagine that:

Although not constantly in the headlines, the status of women in the Arab world is an issue frequently addressed by Arab cartoonists. Cartoons published in recent months have approached the issue from various angles. While some have criticized the discrimination against women and women's inferior status relative to that of men, others have condemned Arab society for keeping women prisoners and for depriving them of their basic rights. Others have dealt with problems related to marriage, including husbands' violence against wives and the effect this has on the children; the phenomenon of marriage of older men and very young girls; and the ease with which Muslim men can divorce their wives.

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Amazing.

And here we have Arab cartoons directed at terrorists. Don't let a Western Agency do this. Bad Karma and all.

The Arab press recently published more cartoons condemning terrorism.(1) These cartoons presented terrorism as an indiscriminately destructive force striking everything in its path, and mocked the terrorists for blindly pursuing the promise of the virgins of Paradise. The cartoons also expressed criticism of extremists who entice the youth, indoctrinating them to embrace extremist ideas.

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Ach du lieber!

And there is debate on Corporal Punishment by the teachings of the KooKooRan.

Criticism of the Religious Discourse in Saudi Arabia. Why would that be?

Columnists in the Saudi press have recently been criticizing the religious discourse in Saudi Arabia, especially the sermons in the mosques, which, they stated, promote extremism and create a rift among the Muslims. Some columnists have also maintained that, since this discourse is rooted in the past and is not in the spirit of this age, it impedes any attempt at reform and progress in Saudi Arabia. Others even proposed to reform this discourse by introducing modern and more humane interpretations of religious texts, by the careful choosing of the preachers, and by the passing of laws prohibiting incitement from religious pulpits.

[...]

The Muslim world is falling apart thanks to the efforts of those of us exposing their Prophet for what IT is...a troll...a pedophile troll.

And as a final note, click here to see why Iran's Achmadinejad really wanted to visit Ground Zero. For an in-depth write up on this subject, go here. Here is a teaser:

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The lunatic's words:

Following are excerpts from an interview with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, which aired on the Iranian news channel on September 29, 2007:

Interviewer: You were supposed to visit the site of the Twin Towers, but this aroused controversy and many objections in their media. What do you think about this?

LUNATIC: As you know, by spreading lies and by portraying me... For example, they show my picture next to a picture of Bin Laden, or next to tanks and cannons firing and killing people. This is psychological warfare.

9/11 has led to many significant changes. It was used as a pretext to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq. It was the reason for the killing of hundreds of thousands of people. It is only natural for us to respond in an appropriate manner. I wanted to visit there last year, but there was no time for that. So I decided to visit there this year to pay my respect to the casualties and convey my sympathy to the families.

I also wanted to raise several questions and express my views. I wanted to say that in my opinion, this incident is the result of the mismanagement of the world, and the result of the inhuman management of the world. Why did such an incident take place? We need to get to the root causes. We don't want them to turn this incident, in 20 years' time, into another false idol like the Holocaust, which they would use as a pretext to kill peoples, and prevent anybody from opening this [Pandora's] box and examining what really happened in this incident. They might turn 9/11 into something sacred, and whoever does not accept it would be considered an infidel, whereas whoever accepts it would have to accept all the ensuing crimes.

In any event, we must express our views. I believe that this way, we would have formed cordial relations with the American people, and cold have opened this issue up for discussion. Well, this is exactly what they want to prevent.

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Spitting nails yet? Spend more time at MEMRI. The MooSlimes and the Leftinistra won't like you for it. Too bad.

Crooks And Liars...Read That As Dumber and DUMBERER

Just a short blurb of the morons that got caught being well, er, uh, crooks and liars by Gateway Pundit the other day in regards to their ZERO Stark

Get a load of this whining ass retarded drivel:

Nicole Belle / Crooks and Liars:

Fox News Sunday: William "The Bloody" Kristol's Bloodlust for War with Iran — Play (162) (h/t David G.) — If it's Sunday, then it's time for [Pravda], er...FOXNews Sunday to give a platform for William "The Bloody" Kristol to get his wargasm on.

Now, isn't that the very epitome of brain dead Soros sucking BS or what?

I suppose the poor slogs that worship at the feet of the Chief Troll and Socialist Ass Wipe Soros have been so busy sucking up his spodie they missed the war that is going on at the border of Iraq and Iran in the southern regions.

Oh well. Such is the life of Morons and Cowards. Oh. Wait. That was Crooks and Liars. WOW! What do you know? The terms are synonymous. Imagine that.

I that a coincidence?

The War In Iran

I wonder when the anti-Americanists will begin to whine about this?

Others talking about this:
QandO, Blue Crab Boulevard and ThreatsWatch

SAS raiders enter Iran to kill gunrunners

BRITISH special forces have crossed into Iran several times in recent months as part of a secret border war against the Iranian Revolutionary Guard’s Al-Quds special forces, defence sources have disclosed.

There have been at least half a dozen intense firefights between the SAS and arms smugglers, a mixture of Iranians and Shi’ite militiamen.

The unreported fighting straddles the border between Iran and Iraq and has also involved the Iranian military firing mortars into Iraq. UK commanders are concerned that Iran is using a militia ceasefire to step up arms supplies in preparation for an offensive against their base at Basra airport.

An SAS squadron is carrying out operations along the Iranian border in Maysan and Basra provinces with other special forces, the Australian SAS and American special-operations troops.

They are patrolling the border, ambushing arms smugglers bringing in surface-to-air missiles and components for roadside bombs. “Last month, they were involved in six significant contacts, which killed 17 smugglers and recovered weapons, explosives and missiles,” a source said. It was not clear if any of the dead were Iranian.

Last week, Bob Ainsworth, the armed forces minister, said the Ministry of Defence was unable to say whether British troops had killed or captured any Iranians in Iraq. The ministry declined to comment, but privately officials insisted British troops never carry out hot pursuit across the border.

There have been persistent reports of American special-operations missions inside Iran preparing for a possible attack. But the sources said British troops were solely stopping arms smuggling.

The fighting comes amid an increase in US and British intelligence operations against Iran. Britain’s forces have more than 70 Farsi experts monitoring Iranian communications, and the intelligence is shared with the United States.

Seven American U2 spy planes have passed through RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire this year on their way to Akrotiri in Cyprus or Al-Dhafra in Abu Dhabi, the bases for flights over Iran.

The Al-Quds force has been increasing its arms supplies to both the Shi’ite militias in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan. Officially, Britain has been careful not to blame the Iranian government.

But senior British officials have confirmed to The Sunday Times that it would not happen without the backing of the Iranian leadership.

They pointed out that Gen Qassem Suleimani, the head of the Al-Quds force, has direct access to Ayatollah Khamenei, supreme leader of Iran

Liam Fox, the Conservative defence spokesman, said: “Increasingly Iran poses a direct threat to our armed forces and our wider interests . . . they are playing a very dangerous game.”

How long have we on the right been saying that Iran is involved? What will it take to get the Leftinistra to figure this out?

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Bill Roggio Reports: The Long War Journal

This right here is an excellent report and don't forget to send condolences cards and letters to Reid, Pelosi, Stark and the rest of the anti-Americanists supported by the moron George Soros, the clandestine supporter of MoveOn and the other Hate America groups.

Multinational Forces Iraq conducted a major raid in Baghdad's Sadr City. Forty-nine Special Groups operatives were killed in a nighttime raid targeting a cell leader of the Iranian-backed Shia terror group.

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Yep. Thinning out the gene pool of the terrorists is never a bad thing.

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The size and scale of the engagement indicates Coalition forces may have, either knowingly or unknowingly, came close to a high-value target far greater than "an individual reported to be a long time Special Groups member specializing in kidnapping operations," who has sought funding from Iran.

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Too bad is wasn't that moron leader of the Mahdi Trolls being supported by Iran.

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By mentioning Sadr and the Mahdi Army in the same breath in a press release on the killing of Special Groups fighter, Multinational Forces Iraq is reminding Sadr the US recognizes the link between the two groups still exists. The mention of Sadr and his Mahdi Army in press releases on the Special Groups is fair warning that the distinctions made between the Special Groups and Sadr's militia can be lifted at any time.

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Go read the rest. It is well worth your time and the article needs to be sent far and wide because certainly, the Lame Stream won't be able to get permission from Soros to print or report the news.

The article ends with this...

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Sadr called for a cessation of Mahdi Army attacks after a clash in Karbala with Iraqi Security Forces during a religious festival resulted in 52 killed and over 300 wounded. The festival was shut down due to the fighting. Sadr has been directly implicated in the Karbala fighting and is believed to be behind the assassinations of the governors of Muthanna and Qadisiyah provinces. Shia are beginning to turn on Sadr's Mahdi Army in the Baghdad stronghold of Sadr City.

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Cowards always cut and run. The Cowards Credo: When the going gets tough, run away.

For a one-stop gathering of articles such as the one linked above, be sure to visit The Victory Caucus.

Crooks and Liars Got Caught being crooks and liars

Gateway Pundit caught the sad-sacked Leftinistra Clearing House (Crooks and Liars) for ignorance and stupidity in regards to the comments by the Troll Stark. They have the screen shots of the blog post BEFORE they got caught lying and crooking.

Go check it out. Pretty cool.

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This is how Crooks and Liars reported the remarks by Rep. Pete Stark said on the House Floor on Thursday:

“I’m just amazed that the Republicans are worried that we can’t pay for insuring an additional 10 million children. They sure don’t care about finding $200 billion to fight the illegal War in Iraq."

"President Bush’s statements about children’s health shouldn’t be taken any more seriously than his lies about the War in Iraq. The truth is that that Bush just likes to blow things up – in Iraq, in the United States, and in Congress."

And... Here is what Rep. Pete Stark actually said on the House Floor on Thursday that was so outrageous and offensive:

"They sure don't care about finding $200 billion to fight the illegal war in Iraq. Where are you going to get that money? Are you going to tell us lies like you're telling us today? Is that how you're going to fund the war? You don't have money to fund the war or children but you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President's amusement."

Got that?

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Amazing!

I am one of those that Stark insulted and so is my son.

Stark needs to resign immediately along with Murtha but, they are cowards and will not.

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