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Greetings. After this weekend, this Take Our Country Back Blog will be moving to the new web site. Too many conservatives are getting zapped by the intolerant dweebs of the Obama Goons and seeing that this editing platform is a free site, Blogger can do pretty much what it feels like doing. Hence, I now have a paid site and will be migrating the last 1400+ posts shortly.

So, one day, you just may click this page somewhere and it will show up as "private". It has been fun but the intolerant Czarbie Goon Squads are brain dead idiots. They can come play at the new site which I OWN outright.

Saturday, December 6, 2008

What does Electing Obama Say to Muslims?

An Obama donor quoted as quoting Obama.

“imagine if on January 20, 2009 a guy named Barack Hussein Obama was sworn in on the US Capitol steps as the President of the United States, what that would say to the world, especially the Muslim world, about our nation.”
This was cited by NMJ, and earlier by Ben Stein at Politico.

Our national elections are intended to elect leaders, not send messages. We are not a tribe, nor do we send smoke signals. If the world infers a message from the outcome of the Nov. 4 '08 election, it will be this.
  • The majority of the participating American electorate are ignorant, narcissist damned fools who can not discern the difference between ambiguous slogans pandering to their selfish desires and sound public policy.
The answer to the second half of the question is contained in the question itself; in the act of propounding it. Propounding that question to a group of fat cat political donors implies that electing Obama would send a positive message to Muslim aliens: that one of their own had been elected to the office of President, where he would enact policies favorable to their Jihad.
  • Obama is a closet Muslim; a stealth candidate falsely claiming to be Christian in hopes that the Christian majority will vote for him. As a Muslim, he is one of the attackers, not a defender.
    • We have elected one of the enemy to mislead us into defeat, destruction & dhimmitude.
    • Reinforcing Muslim hopes of destroying America so as to ease the process of conquering the rest of the world is a good thing.
    • As President, Obama will not mount an effective defense against Islamic conquest.
    • As President, Obama will not mount any offense against Islamic conquest.
As a consequence of the concealment of Obama's arrogant boast before his fat cat donors, and its revelation subsequent to the election, when it can have no direct effect upon the election, it is necessary that reasonable members of the electorate; those who care about the preservation of liberty, rise up and demand that the Electoral College disqualify the Obama/Biden ticket as traitors and elect the McCain/Palin ticket in their stead.

Genocide Hadith Uncensored

A Youtube video complaining about censorship of the USC-MSA Hadith Database was referenced in an email from CVF. I was aware that the hadith had been stricken from the database and retained a previously compiled copy for comparison.

This is the text of Sahih Mulim 41.6985 as it appears in the .chm file, which is available at Crusader's Armory.

Book 041, Number 6985:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

Subsequent to viewing the video, made a fresh visit to USC-MSA and found this:

Book 041, Number 6985:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

Evidently the censorship has been reversed. The sidebar has also been edited, the original links are gone. New links have been added to the Tanach and to Muhammad Assad's Qur'an translation, it links to a Geocities site which appears to have typos. It is difficult to discern between the text and Assad's commentary. It appears that the commentary preceeds the translation.

This Jihad Watch article of 08/22/08 cites the text of the deleted ahadith and gives the history of the case with other details of interest.

A Yahoo search for Book 041, Number 6985 turns up this URL:

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/041.smt.html

my URLGenerator produces this URL:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/041.smt.html#041.6985

which opens the exact same page as that discovered in the search.

The following hadith appears in Bewley's translation, and in the collection at Sunni Path, but not in the Compendium at USC.

It is mentioned from Ibn 'Umar from the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, "My provision has been placed under the shadow of my spear, and abasement and humility have been placed on the one who disobeys my command."

Bewley associates that hadith to another in which Moe allegedly kills, cooks & eats a wild ass, over the objections of his companions. Other sources cite Ahmad, with a somewhat different text. Rasoulallah.net

I have been sent before the Hour so that Allaah alone should be worshipped without any partner for Him, and my provision has been placed beneath the shade of my spear, and subservience and humiliation have been placed upon those who disobey my orders, and whoever imitates a people then he is one of them.[9]

Objection to Muslim 41.6985 is based upon its expression of genocidal intention against the Jews. Similar sayings in Bukhari's Sahih collection express the same concept; where is the objection to them & demand that they be stricken? Where is the objection to 9:29 and demand that it be stricken? Where is the objection to Eternal Humiliation placed on the Jews, which depicts Jesus Christ as returning to lead the Muslims in exterminating the remaining Jews? Who objects to Muslim 1.0287, which encrypts the same concept?

The creator of the video bases his objection to censorship on the difficulty it poses by removing authentic documentation of one of his arguments. While one can find the passage in printed hadith collections, one must invest money to obtain them and can not link to them in blog posts & forums. Furthermore, different editions have varying page and reference numbers.

While sympathetic to that objection, I have previously expressed a different objection: censoring hadith only removes the outward sign, it does nothing to altar the mindset of Muslims who have memorized the saying or those who will hear it from Mullahs & Imams in their Mosques.

Thousands of hadith books have been printed; they are in Mosques, Madrassahs, libraries and private collections all over the world in many languages. Censoring a web site does nothing to altar that fact*, nor does it change Islam's doctrine of genocide. Taking down that hadith is like amputating a snake's rattles; it makes a deadly viper appear harmless.

*Note: most of the on line hadith search engines are dependent on the USC database. Removing the cited ahadith would make them much more difficult to find on line.

Friday, December 5, 2008

Obama Threatened by Muslim Cleric

From the Mid East Meadia Research Institute comes Special Bulletin # 2139 informing us that Egyptian Cleric Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal issued Dawa to President Elect Obama, calling on him to revert to Islam. MEMRI has a video clip from the speech.

"My message to him is threefold. First, I invite him to convert to Islam. This is the call of the Prophet and of Allah. Oh Obama - convert to Islam, and you will be saved. I hope that Allah will reward you twice: once for converting to Islam, and another reward for all those who will convert in your footsteps. If you want glory - you will find it in Islam. If you want honor - you will find it in Islam. In religions other than Islam there is utter humiliation, even if you are the president of the entire world....
The invitation to convert to Islam is a prerequisite for ghazwat, the rule is laid down in Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4294.
When you meet your enemies who are polytheists invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them.
The invitation is accompanied by a promise and a threat. Glory and honor are promised as rewards for reverting to Islam. Al-Ashbal likened Obama to the Byzantine Emperor. How does an Emperor obtain glory & Honor? By conquest; expanding his empire. The threat is utter humiliation, despite high ranking elected office. Examine Moe's extortion letter to the Byzantine Emperor. Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 191:
"In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful (This letter is) from Muhammad, the slave of Allah, and His Apostle, to Heraculius, the Ruler of the Byzantine. Peace be upon the followers of guidance. Now then, I invite you to Islam (i.e. surrender to Allah), embrace Islam and you will be safe; embrace Islam and Allah will bestow on you a double reward. But if you reject this invitation of Islam, you shall be responsible for misguiding the peasants (i.e. your nation). O people of the Scriptures! Come to a word common to you and us and you, that we worship. None but Allah, and that we associate nothing in worship with Him; and that none of us shall take others as Lords besides Allah. Then if they turn away, say: Bear witness that we are (they who have surrendered (unto Him)
  • Peace be upon the followers of guidance.
    • The unstated corollary: war on whomever rejects the Qur'an.
  • embrace Islam and you will be safe
    • The unstated corollary: reject Islam and be attacked.
Where does the humiliation come from? From defeat in this world, conquered by Muslims and eternal damnation in the next.
6:124. And when there comes to them a sign (from Allâh) they say: "We shall not believe until we receive the like of that which the Messengers of Allâh had received." Allâh knows best with whom to place His Message. Humiliation and disgrace from Allâh and a severe torment will overtake the criminals (polytheists, sinners, etc.) for that which they used to plot.
40:60. And your Lord said: "Invoke Me, [i.e. believe in My Oneness (Islâmic Monotheism)] (and ask Me for anything) I will respond to your (invocation). Verily! Those who scorn My worship [i.e. do not invoke Me, and do not believe in My Oneness, (Islâmic Monotheism)] they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!"
Al-Ashbal made other threats, which conflict with each other.

"Know, Obama, that America, with all its size and might, will know no peace as long as a single Muslim child lacks food, drink, medicine, or housing.

"If you refuse, Obama, and insist on remaining in Muslim lands, know that Allah still plants in [Muslims] obedience to Him, and that they are willing to wait for Paradise, which is closer than their own shoelaces.

"Know, Obama, that in the lands of Islam, there are people who seek death, and are eager for it, even more than you and your people are eager for life - any kind of life, even a life of humiliation."

Concern about poverty and preference for Paradise conflict. Muslims have sold life & possessions for Paradise, obtained through Jihad. Refer to 9:38, 9:69, 9:85, and
47:36. The life of this world is but play and pastime, but if you believe (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism), and fear Allâh, and avoid evil, He will grant you your wages, and will not ask you your wealth.
Muslims seek death in battle against us because of the promised reward of one of the best seats in the celestial bordello.
3:157. And if you are killed or die in the Way of Allâh, forgiveness and mercy from Allâh are far better than all that they amass (of worldly wealths, etc.).

3:158. And whether you die, or are killed, verily, unto Allâh you shall be gathered.

3:169. Think not of those who are killed in the Way of Allâh as dead. Nay, they are alive, with their Lord, and they have provision.

4:74. Let those (believers) who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter fight in the Cause of Allâh, and whoso fights in the Cause of Allâh, and is killed or gets victory, We shall bestow on him a great reward.
The threat is clear and unmistakable. Who will answer it with a curse?

Terrorism: Islamic Sacrament

Two pending United Nations resolutions share a common deception with previous resolutions and common dogma. Lets examine them closely. [Bold red font added for clarity.]

Combating defamation of religions revised draft resolution

7. Expresses deep concern in this respect that Islam is frequently and wrongly associated with human rights violations and terrorism;

Agreed Draft Resolution on the Elimination of all forms of intolerance and of discrimination based on religion or belief

13. Also emphasixes that no religion should be equated with terrorism, as this may have adverse consequences on the enjoyment of the right to freedom of religion or belief of all members of the religious communities concerned,
How frequently is the association between Islam and rights violations & terrorism made? Is there an acceptable threshold of frequency, or is any single suggestion of association unacceptable to the UN morality police? Could they perhaps be persuaded to list & enumerated the offensive statements that cause them deep concern?

The deep concern expressed is that Islam is "Wrongly associated" with rights violations & terrorism. The unstated premise is that Islam neither violates human rights nor engages in terrorism. We must examine that premise in the light of truth.
  • human rights violations
    • gender equality
      • 2:223. Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth (have sexual relations with your wives in any manner as long as it is in the vagina and not in the anus), when or how you will, and send (good deeds, or ask Allah to bestow upon you pious offspring) before you for your ownselves. And fear Allah, and know that you are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give good tidings to the believers (O Muhammad ).
        • (And they assign to Allah a share of the tilth and cattle which He has created...)[The Meaning of Bahirah, Sa'ibah, Wasilah and Ham]
        • ((Saying:) "Go to your tilth in the morning, if you would pluck (the fruits).'') meaning, `if you want to pluck your harvest fruit.' [A Parable of the Removal of the Earnings of the Disbelievers]

        • 4:34. Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see illconduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.
          • Indeed, Allah ordered the wife to obey her husband and prohibited her from disobeying him, because of the enormity of his rights and all that he does for her. [Dealing with the Wife's Ill-Conduct]
        • 4:11. Allah commands you as regards your children's (inheritance); to the male, a portion equal to that of two females;
          • Allah commands that both males and females take a share in the inheritance, although the portion of the males is twice as much as that of the females. There is a distinction because men need money to spend on their dependants, commercial transactions, work and fulfillling their obligations. Consequently, men get twice the portion of the inheritance that females get. [Males Get Two Times the Share of Females for Inheritance]
        • 2:282. ...And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her...
          • (so that if one of them errs) refers to the two women witnesses; whenever one of them forgets a part of the testimony, (the other can remind her) meaning, the other woman's testimony mends the shortcoming of forgetfulness in the first woman. [Witnesses Should Attend the Dictation of Contracts]

    • rights of minorities
      • 3:85. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.
      • 3:110. You [true believers in Islmic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah (legal ways, etc.)] are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma'rûf (i.e. Islmic Monotheism and all that Islm has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islm has forbidden), and you believe in Allah. And had the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) believed, it would have been better for them; among them are some who have faith, but most of them are Al-Fsiqûn (disobedient to Allah - and rebellious against Allh's Command).
      • Shariah: Reliance of the Traveller, Book O (Justice) {rules of Dhimmitude}.
        • O11.5.2 are distinguished from Muslims in dress, wearing a wide cloth belt (zunnar);
        • O11.5.4 must keep to the side of the street;
        • O11.5.6 are forbidden to openly display wine or pork, (A: to ring church bells or display crosses,) recite the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make public display of their funerals and feastdays;
        • O11.5.7 and are forbidden to build new churches
          • See O11.10 & 11.11 for the penalty clause.
The authors of the resolutions assert that Islam is wrongly associated with human rights violations; implying that Islam is innocent of violating human rights. I haveproved that Islam is a human rights violator.

I used used quotations from Islam's canon of scripture to prove the fact that Islam considers women to be chattle property, tilth for men to plow. It allocates to them half the inheritance a male receives and their testimony is weighted as half that of a male.

I used quotations from Islam's canon of scripture and jurisprudence to prove the fact that Islam violates the rights of religious minorities. How can the authors of the resolutions disprove those indisputable facts?

  • terrorism
    • 3:151. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they joined others in worship with Allah, for which He had sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the Zlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers).
    • 8:12. (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."
    • 33:26. And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allah brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives.
      • (and cast terror into their hearts;) means fear, because they had supported the idolators in their war against the Messenger of Allah and the one who knows is not like the one who does not know. [The Campaign against Banu Qurayzah]
    • 59:2. He it is Who drove out the disbelievers among the people of the Scripture (i.e. the Jews of the tribe of Bani An-Nadir) from their homes at the first gathering. You did not think that they would get out. And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But Allah's (Torment) reached them from a place whereof they expected it not, and He cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their own dwellings with their own hands and the hands of the believers. Then take admonition, O you with eyes (to see).
      • (and He cast terror into their hearts) means, Allah cast fear, terror and fright in their hearts, and why would that not happen to them He who was given victory, by Allah frightening his enemies the distance of a month, laid siege to them. [The Reason behind the Battle of Bani An-Nadir]
    • 59:13. Verily, you (believers in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism) are more awful as a fear in their (Jews of Bani An-Nadir) breasts than Allah. That is because they are a people who comprehend not (the Majesty and Power of Allah).
    • Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey. [Bukhari 1.7.331]
    • I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), [Bukhari 4.52.220]
The authors of the resolutions assert that Islam is wrongly associated/equated with terrorism, implying that Islam is innocent of it.

I have displayed to you ayat which show beyond doubt that Allah sanctified and Moe engaged in terrorizing his intended victims. One of them, 59:2, ends with a warning to future victims. Another ayeh has a similar theme.
8:57. So if you gain the mastery over them in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a lesson.
It is clear, on the face of Islam's canon of scripture that terrorism is an intrinsic sacramental tactic of Islam. I have also displayed quotes from two hadith in which Moe braggs about being made victorious by terror. That is the clincher.

Beat them to death so that others will see and be scared defenceless. I have been made victorious by terror. But, no, Islam has no association with terrorism. Let the authors of the resolutions come forth and offer relevant, verifiable evidence to substantiate their assertion. If they shall quote the Qur'an, let them make first ascertain that their ayat have not been abrogated by latter recitations.

What is the big deal; the cause of deep concern ? Why shouldn't Islam be associated with or equated with terrorism?
this may have adverse consequences on the enjoyment of the right to freedom of religion or belief of all members of the religious communities concerned,
Oh mercy! Some curmudgeon might demand impairment of Muslim's right to practice Islam! Where in Hell are these rights ordained:
  • right to conquer
  • right to kill
  • right to terrify
  • right to enslave
  • right to plunder
  • right to rape.
Nowhere but:
If Muslims have a right to practice Islam then we have no rights. This is because:
  1. Allah commands Muslims to fight pagans & atheists until only Allah is worshiped in the entire world. This commandment is contained in 8:38-39. This commandment is confirmed by Ibn Kathir in the following tafsir; its title is dispositive. The Order to fight to eradicate Shirk and Kufr
  2. Allah commands Muslims to fight 'people of the book' until we are subjugated and pay extortion. This commandment is contained in 9:29. This commandment is confirmed by Ibn Kathir in the following tafsir: its title is dispositive. The Order to fight People of the Scriptures until They give the Jizyah
  3. In confirming those two commands, Moe declared that our blood and property are not sacred to Muslims until we become Muslims by submitting to Allah. "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah."[Bukhari 1.8.387]
  4. The relationship between Allah and the Ummah al Islamiyaa is that of master:slave. This fact is made clear in 9:111. Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allh's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurt (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur'n. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success .
  5. The compact with Satan is confirmed in Surah As-Saff. 61:10-13 tell Muslims of a commerce that will save them from Hellfire and assurre their admission to Paradise. That commerce is Jihad: holy fighting in Allah's cause.
  6. Only Allah has the right to be worshipped. 3:2. Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists.
  7. Jihad, genocide and terrorism are intrinsic Islamic sacraments; part of the regular practice of Islam. Jihad is defined in Shariah and prescribed as an annual practice.

O9.0: Jihad

(O: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion....

O9.1 As for subsequent times, there are two possible states in respect to non-Muslims.

The first is when they are in their own countries, in which case jihad (def: o9.8) is a communal obligation, and this is what our author is speaking of when he says, "Jihad is a communal obligation," meaning upon the Muslims each year.

O9.8: The Objectives of Jihad

The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,...

O9.9

The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim (O: because they are not a people with a Book, nor honored as such, and are not permitted to settle with paying the poll tax (jizya) ) (n: though according to the Hanafi school, peoples of all other religions, even idol worshippers, are permitted to live under the protection of the Islamic state if they either become Muslim or agree to pay the poll tax, the sole exceptions to which are apostates from Islam and idol worshippers who are Arabs, neither of whom has any choice but becoming Muslim (al-Hidaya sharh Bidaya al-mubtadi' (y21), 6.48-49) ).

So long as Islam is practiced, human rights are violated and we have neither peace nor security.

Thursday, December 4, 2008

Shari'ah Bailout Bucks

Um, this didn't come up in the talks with Congress.

AIG, the company of magicians that turned its bailout from $60 billion to $150 billion almost over night, is taking some of that money to become more Islamofriendly.

Risk Specialists Companies, Inc. (RSC), a subsidiary of AIG Commercial Insurance, is introducing what it says is a first in the U.S.: a homeowners insurance product that is compliant with key Islamic finance tenets and based on the concept of mutual insurance.


So we know the "A" in "AIG" doesn't stand for "assimilation".

The Takaful home policy is the first installment in Lexington Takaful Solutions, a series of Shari'ah-compliant (Takaful) product offerings in the U.S.


It's one thing if they want to start a local credit union but something entirely different if an American company that just got fat on taxpayer money is tailoring any part of its business to make it "Shari'ah-compliant".

Takaful is similar to mutual insurance and cooperative risk sharing but there are key differences including a clear segregation of funds owned by participants and those owned by the insurance operations entity. Investments of funds are also restricted to avoid companies involved in entertainment, alcohol, pork and other elements prohibited by Islamic law.


I'm Catholic. Is AIG going to offer a policy backed by a mutual insurance company that promises not to invest in hospitals that perform abortions? Anyone? Bueller?

Didn't think so.

The big laugher:

"The introduction of Takaful products in the U.S. represents an important and emerging growth opportunity for AIG Commercial Insurance. We are pleased to offer socially responsible solutions to this segment of the domestic market," said Matthew F. Power, president, Risk Specialists Companies, Inc.


Socially responsible solutions...

This is the same Shari'ah law that condones beheading, stoning, female genital mutilation and a variety of other "socially responsible" barbaric practices in different parts of the world, correct?

Your taxpayer dollars at work.

This money trail might lead us right off a cliff.

h/t: Atlas Shrugs

(More Stephen Kruiser mental wandering at America Needs Me)

Marc Ambinder Steps In It Again

~Snooper~

Marc's "righteous pucker factor" hits sore thumb.

This is just unreal. For an alleged "smart fella", he surely doesn't quite know how to read.

Dear Marc: the 14 th Amendment has nothing at all to do with Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5, FYI. Sorry to burst that self-inflated bubble of yours but you and those that think alike, if you can call it thinking, are just flat-out, pathetically wrong. It is you and YOUR kind that need to get a grip. You and your sock puppets.

Folks, Marc says this:
[...] Now -- the 14th amendment is fairly clear on the subject:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

A further objection: to be "natural born," as the constitution requires, is to be born on U.S. soil (check) to two citizen parents (x mark.) Again -- that claim has no basis in federal law, Supreme Court precedent, or English common law. [...]
HINT and here's your sign...English Common Law does not apply to the United States Constitution. Your revisionist and childish idiocy is obvious to all...even the Czarbie apologists. Here's another hint: you might want to check with Senate Resolution 511 dated April 10, 2008 before you make an ass of yourself in the future. Do try and keep up.

If the "natural born citizen" clause was an issue for Senator McCain, why is it not an issue for Senator Obama and why did Obama add spurious verbiage that in fact baffled fellow Senators?

And, why must we ALWAYS do the elitists' homework for them?

Isn't it just like the Constitution to get in the way of the ignorant? Judas H Priest!

UN: Intolerance; Problem or Solution?

Agreed Draft Resolution on the Elimination of all forms of intolerance and of discrimination based on religion or belief
Nov. 25 '08

[Insertions are red italic face, deletions are struck through. ]

PP 10 Reffirming that everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion or belief, which includes the freedom to have or to adopt a change one's religion or belief of ones choice and the freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest one's religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance,

Originally, the text would have guaranteed the right to convert, the deletion and insertion is obviously a concession to Islam, which prohibits Muslims from abandoning Islam under pain of death.

PPll Seriously concerned at all attacks on religious places, sites and shrines, in violation of international law, in particular human rights and humanitarian law, including any deliberate destruction of relics and monuments,

Oh boy! They're serious about all attacks... but only if they violate international law. Did the destruction at Bamiyan violate international law?

PPl2 Seriously concerned also at any misuse of registration procedures and at the resort to discriminatory registration procedures as a means to limit the right to freedom of religion or belief of members of certain religious communities, at the limitations placed on religious materials and at the obstacles placed in the way of construction of places of worship inconsistent with the exercise of the right to freedom of religion or belief,

This is probably a reference to current practice in Egypt, which discriminates against Copts.

PP14 Expressing deep concern at alt forms of discrimination and intolerance, including prejudices against persons and derogatory stereotyping of persons, based on religion or belief,

PP l5 Recognizing the importance of enhanced interreligious and intrareligious dialogue in promoting tolerance in matters relating to religion or belief, and welcoming different initiatives in this regard, including the Alliance of Civilizations and the programmes led by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organ ization,

How do they hope to enhance that which never existed and never will? Islam holds monologues, not dialogues: "Embrace Islam and you will be safe." Their "common word" is submit: we must submit to them.

Emphasizing that States, regional organizations, non-governmental organizations, religious bodies and the media have an important role to play in promoting tolerance, respect for religious and cultural diversity and in the universal promotion and protection of human rights, including freedom of religion or belief,

Yeah, like that is going to happen in the real world.

PPIT Convinced of the need to address the rise in all various parts of the world of religious extremism that affects the rights of individuals, the situations of where violence and discrimination that affect many women as well as other
individuals from other vulnerable groups are carried out on the grounds or in the name of religion or belief or in accordance with cultural and traditional practices, and the misuse of religion or belief for ends inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as well as other relevant instruments of the United Nations,

Is this a hint of revulsion at wife beating, which Allah permits?


PP18 Underlining the importance of education in the promotion of tolerance, which involves the acceptance by the public of, and its respect for, diversity,including with regard to religious expression, and underlining also the fact that
education, in particular at school, should contribute in a meaningful way to promoting tolerance and the elimination of discrimination based on religion or belief,

PP19 Reaffirming, in this regard, that education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms and shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups and further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace

Translation: substitute iindoctrination for education.

Emphasizes that, as underlined by the Human Rights Committee, restrictions on the freedom to manifest one's religion or belief are permitted only if limitations are prescribed by law, are necessary to protect public safety, order, health or morals, or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others, are nondiscriminatory and are applied in a manner that does not vitiate the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion which implies that these limitations must be non discriminatory and and directly related and proportionate to the specific need on which they are predicated;

How does prohibiting Jews & Christians from building churches, ringing bells, displaying crosses, holding processions and public ceremonies protect the public safety, order, health or morals? How does it protect the rights of others? How can it be done without discrimination? Is there some reason why limitations should not be directly related & proportionate to the specific purpose?

Recognizes with deep concern the overall rise in instances of intolerance and violence directed against members of many religious and other communities in various parts of the world, including cases motivated by Islamophobia, anti-Semitism and Christianophobia;

Where the Hell is Islamophobia motivating violence against Muslims? Ain't it all going the other direction; against Jews, Christians. Alawaites & Ahmadia?

5. Expresses concern over the persistence of institutionalized social intolerance and discrimination practised against many in the name of religion or belief;

6. Recalls that legal procedures pertaining to religious or belief-based groups and places of worship are not a prerequisite for the exercise of the right to manifest one's religion or belief;

7 . E m p h a s i z e s t h a t the conduct of s u c h p r o c e d u r e s , as d e s c r i b e d i n paragraph 5 6 above, at the national or local level, and as and when legally required, should be non-discriminatory in order to contribute to the effective protection of the right of all persons to practise their religion or belief either individually or in community with others and in public or private;

The laws of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia prohibit the practice of Christianity. When will this fact be addressed openly in one of these feel good resolutions? Is anyone conscious of the logical fallacy involved in this resolution?

9. Urges States to step up their efforts to eliminate intolerance and discrimination based on religion or belief to protect and promote the freedom of thought, conscience, religion or belief, and to this end:

(a) To ensure that their constitutional and legislative systems provide adequate and effective guarantees of freedom of thought conscience, religion and belief to all without distinction, inter alia, by the provision of effective remedies in cases where the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion or belief, or the right to practise freely one's religion, including the right to change one's religion or belief, is violated;

Fat chance of this happening in any Islamic theocracy.
(b) To ensure that no one within their jurisdiction is deprived of the right to life, liberty or security of person' because of religion or belief and that no one is subjected to torture and or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, or arbitrary arrest or detention on that account and to bring to justice all perpetrators of violations of these rights;

Who is willing to bell the cat?

(c) To ensure that no one is discriminated against on the basis of his or her religion or belief when accessing, inter alia, education, medical care, employment, humanitarian assistance or social benefits;

(d) To review, whenever relevant, existing registration practices in order to ensure that such practices do not limit the right of any all persons to manifest their his or her religion or belief, alone or in community with others and in public or in private;

No way will the UN or anyone else attempt to force Saudi Arabia to allow Christians to build churches and hold services.

(e) To ensure that no official documents are withheld from the individual on the grounds of for reasons grounded in a person's religion or belief and that everyone has the right to refrain from disclosing information concerning one's religious affiliation on such documents against one's will if religious affiliation is mentioned in any such documents, the individual has the right to refrain from disclosing this type of information, or to indicate "other religion or "no religion":

(f) To ensure that everyone has the right and opportunity to have access, in general terms of equality, to public service in one's country, without any discrimination on the basis of religion or belief, To refrain from forcing someone who wishes to fill a public post to take an oath swearing his or her allegience to any religion against his will;

(g) To provide, in the case where official recognition of religious marriages exists, for the alternative of a civil registration of marriages.

(g) To ensure, in particular, the right of all persons to worship or assemble in connection with a religion or belief and their right to establish and maintain places for these purposes and the right of all persons to establish and maintain places for these purposes and the right of all persons to write, issue and disseminate relevant publications in these areas;

All of these provisions are in direct contravention of Sharia. None of them will fly.

(h) To ensure that, in accordance with appropriate national legislation and in conformity with international human rights law, the freedom of all persons and members of groups to establish and maintain religious, charitable or humanitarian institutions is fully respected and protected;

(i) To exert the utmost efforts, in accordance with their national legislation and in conformity with international human rights law, to ensure that religious places, sites, shrines and symbols are fully respected and protected and to take additional measures in cases where they are vulnerable to desecration and destruction;

(j). To ensure that all public officials and civil servants, including members of law enforcement bodies, the military and educators, in the course of fulfilling their official duties, respect all religions or beliefs and do not discriminate for reasons based on religion or belief, and that all necessary and appropriate education or training is provided;

10. Condemns any advocacy of religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence, whether it involves the use of print, audiovisual or electronic media or any other means;

Qur'ans are printed, ain't they? I have seen one at Borders. The Qur'an, in the electronic form I refer to, sanctifies and mandates discrimination, hostility & violence. It declares perpetual war against pagans, Jews and Christians which, according to hadith, is to continue until Judgment Day. What do you propose to do about it?

It is obvious on the face of the resolution, that #10 is aimed at those of us who criticize Islam, not at Islam's canon of scripture, tradition & jurisprudence, where the fault resides and from which the violence emanates. Doubters are referred to Surah Al-Anfal, Surah Al-Taubah & Reliance of the Traveller, Book O, Chapter 9.

11. Emphasizes that freedom of religion or belief and freedom of expression are interdependent, interrelated and mutually reinforcing

All rights depend on the right to life, without which we have no rights at all. Islam denies us that right, declaring that our blood and property are not sacred to Muslims until we join them and declaring perpetual war upon us until only Allah is worshiped in the entire world and Jews & Christians are subjugated & extorted. To protect our right to life, we must be free to name and accurately describe the entitity which seeks to conquer and enslave us. That entity is Islam. These resolutions seek to criminalize the very expressions requisite to discussing effective defense of western civilization.

12. Urges States to step up their efforts to eliminate intolerance and discrimination based on religion or belief, notably by:

(a) Taking all necessary and appropriate action, in conformity with international standards of human rights, to combat hatred, discrimination, intolerance and acts of violence, intimidation and coercion motivated by
intolerance based on religion or belief, as well as incitement to hostility and violence, with particular regard to members of religious minorities in all parts of the world, and devoting particular attention to practices that violate the human rights of women and discriminate against women, including in the exercise of their right to
freedom of thought, conscience, religion or belief;

Implementing this provision would require outlawing the propagation & practice of Islam. Besides propagating perpetual genocidal & terroristic war, Islam denies the rights and dignity of minorities and relegates women to the status of chattel who must be subordinate and may be beaten.

(b) Promoting and encouraging, through education and other means, understanding, tolerance and respect in all matters relating to freedom of religion or belief and undertaking all appropriate efforts to encourage those engaged in teaching to promote mutual understanding, tolerance and respect;

Promoting tolerance & respect for Islam is entirely counter productive to any effort to maximize peace, security and religious liberty. Islam gives no respect and is worthy of none. No sane and informed person will respect or tolerate Islam.

13. Also emphasixes that no religion should be equated with terrorism, as this may have adverse consequences on the enjoyment of the right to freedom of religion or belief of all members of the religious communities concerned,

#13 is the most damned foolishness imaginable. Has none of the authors read the Qur'an or Hadith? Let me help them out.

3:151
USC Fahd
Terrorism is sanctified. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they joined others in worship with Allah, for which He had sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers).

Allah next conveys the good news that He will put fear of the Muslims, and feelings of subordination to the Muslims in the hearts of their disbelieving enemies, because of their Kufr and Shirk. The Prohibition of Obeying the Disbelievers; the Cause of Defeat at Uhud

Anyone of normal intelligence should not need that tafsir from Ibn Kathir to comprehend the meaning of the ayeh.

8:12
USC Fahd
Terrorism Sanctified. (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."

(I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved.) means, `you -- angels -- support the believers, strengthen their (battle) front against their enemies, thus, implementing My command to you. I will cast fear, disgrace and humiliation over those who defied My command and denied My Messenger Allah commands the Angels to fight and support the Believers

33:26
USC Fahd
Practical application of terror. And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allah brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives

We see from the Qur'an that casting terror is a sacrament of Islam, one which Allah & Moe practiced routinely. The oral tradition of Moe's companions, compiled into collections of hadith, confirms this fact; Moe bragged about it!

B1.7.331
USC
Muhammad's special privileges:
awe, booty, global mission.
Bukhari Volume 1, Book 7, Number 331:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
The Prophet said, "I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me.
1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey.
2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform Tayammum, therefore anyone of my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due.
3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me.
4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection).
5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.

How did Allah make Moe victorious?

B4.52.220
USC
Terror makes victory. Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

Islam is rightly associated with terrorism because:
  1. Allah sanctified it.
  2. Moe practiced it.
  3. Moe bragged about its good effect.
14. Stresses the need to strengthen dialogue, inter alia; through the Alliance of Civilizations and its High Representative and the focal point designated within the Secretariat by the General Assembly in its resolution 62/90 and the High Representative of the Alliance and the focal point designated within the Secretariat, as welcomed by the General Assembly in its resolution 32/80 to interact with various entities in the United Nations system and coordinate their contribution to dialogue;

15. Emphasizes the importance of a continued and strengthened dialogue among and within religions or beliefs, at all levels and with a broader participation, including of women, to promote greater tolerance, respect and mutual
understanding;

16. Invites all actors to address in the context of interreligious and inter cultural dialogue, inter alia, the following issues within the framework of international human rights:

(a) The rise of religious extremism affecting religions in all parts of the world;

Islamic Jihad, genocide & terrorism are not extremism, they are the standard; set by Allah & exemplified by Moe.

(b) The situations where of violence and discrimination that affect many women as well as other individuals from other vulnerable groups are carried out on the grounds or in the name of religion or belief or in accordance with cultural and traditional practices;

(c) The misuse of religion or belief for ends inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as well as other relevant instruments of the United Nations;

Islamic Jihad, genocide & terrorism are not misuse of religion; they are Islam's mission. Had you read the Qur'an & hadith, you would know that Islam is mercenary & martial, by design.

17. Welcomes and encourages the continuing efforts of all actors in society, including non-governmental organizations and bodies and groups based on religion or belief, to promote the implementation of the Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Intolerance and of Discrimination Based on Religion or Belief,6 and
further encourages their work in promoting freedom of religion or belief and in highlighting cases of religious intolerance, discrimination and persecution;

18. Recommends that States, the United Nations and other actors, including non-governmental organizations and bodies and groups based on religion or belief, in their efforts to promote freedom of religion or belief, ensure the widest possible dissemination of the text of the Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Intolerance and of Discrimination Based on Religion or Belief, in as many different languages as possible, and promote its implementation;

19. Welcomes the work and the interim report of the Special Rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief;7

That report, like this and related resolutions, demands censorship of Islam's critics; they would criminalize this blog post..

20. Urges all Governments to cooperate fully with the Special Rapporteur, to respond favourably to her requests to visit their countries and to provide all necessary information for the effective fulfillment of her mandate;

21. Requests the Secretary-General to ensure that the Special Rapporteur receives the necessary resources to fully discharge her mandate;

22. Requests the Special Rapporteur to submit an interim report to the General Assembly at its sixty-fourth session;

23. Decides to consider the question religious intolerance at its sixty-fourth session and protection of human rights".

The next session would do well to begin their study of intolerance by reading 3:85 and . The ayat previously cited above also bear on this subject. Take due notice thereof and govern yourselves accordingly.

6 See resolution 36155.
7 See A/63/ l 6 l .

The Leftinistra (Armies of the Socialist American Liberal) Are Claiming Victory In Iraq

~Snooper~

I haven't written on this subject that has recently surfaced (AGAIN) because it chafes my posterior. In all of 2007, 2006, 2005 the American Progressive (socialist scum) did everything they could to lose the war on the Front in Iraq. In 2007, they tried and failed 45 times. Due to their BDS, Bush Derangement Syndrome, as pronounced and diagnosed by Dr Krauthammer, they committed treason, subversion, sedition and Crimes Against The United States. They were and still are directly responsible for emboldening the enemy, rendering aid and comfort to the enemy, thereby causing the deaths and the wounding of thousands of US and Coalition Troops. And they were proud of that all in the name of political expediency and political power. They are also responsible for that theoretical 1,000,000 Iraqi deaths that they blamed President Bush for.

You can read all about this in my vault of knowledge here and here. I call it my Democrats and Terrorists files.

Flash back: a long time ago, Hillary Clinton who opposed the war right after she was for it and then waffled for her campaign, she tried to lay claim to the success of the Troop Surge, even though she opposed it, because the Iraqi Government listens to her every word. Here is a memory jogger:

Link:


Link (Reid the war is lost moment)


Link (suspending disbelief)


Now, we have that same group of lying-ass scum doing the same for the guy that said the war was a Bush War and that he would end it which he hasn't yet, he is laying claim to the Victory our Troops have wrought. This is beyond the pale of audacity. I'm not going to excerpt anything just yet but I will link the titles to various locations:


The blood of our Troops and our fellow citizens are on "THEIR" hands and not GWBs. Period.

Obama Voters: The Dumbest of The Dumb and Duped

~Snooper~

AIM:
On the Fox News program Hannity & Colmes Monday night, analyst Dick Morris made the absolutely critical point that President Bush has taken the country so far to the left, in terms of his socialist-style Wall Street bailout program and his integration of the U.S. economy into a new emerging international financial order, that anything Barack Obama does in this area seems almost mainstream. This is because what we were expecting from Obama we are now getting from Bush. So Obama doesn’t look so radical anymore. [...] read the rest
Ain't that the Truth or way?

As the pathetically inane begin to wake up to the fact that their Messiah has fooled them all, disillusion is setting in. And that disillusionment is hazardous to The One. It is called buyer's remorse for those libtards that haven't quite been briefed of some basic facts.

The first fact is that Obama is not black. He is a hybrid...a mix yet claims purity by renouncing his whiteness. He said so in his book, or, at least someone wrote that in his book.

The second fact is I wrote a post revealing the first 13 lies Obama has committed and he hasn't even placed his crown upon his crown yet. I suppose those 13 lies can be classified as facts 2 through 15.

Fact 16 is that Obama's Hope and Change rhetoric was a Big Lie, via his own words 1 year ago.

Fact 17 is that Obama's election did not end terrorism.

Fact 18 is that Obama was merely a random verbiage spewer...his words here.

Fact 19 is that there are some in the Lame Stream Media (defunct msm [old media]) that have begun the "what have we done" dance.

Fact 20 is that some are saying within the Liberal Camps that GWB wasn't so bad after all. Even Czarbie is on that wagon now.

Fact 21 is that Obama has finally seen that by golly terrorism really is real.

Fact 22 is that the Troops won't be out of Iraq by March as promised.

Fact 22 is that Obama is backing off taxing the hell out of the oil companies...bad for the economy.

Fact 23 is that now Obama is the same as Bush on Iraq. So, Obama is Bush's 3rd Term and not "McSame".

There will be more and we will be sure to chronicle them all.

Wednesday, December 3, 2008

Marc Ambinder: How The Educated Can Be Compromised

~Snooper~

Poor Marc. I thought that such a man as he would know better than to use SNOPES of all places for confirmation of anything. SNOPES is almost as bad a Wikipedia. Good grief. Looks like I won't be trusting anything he has to say about anything for quite some time. SNOPES? Marc has swallowed the Kool Aid of SNOPES as PROOF that Obama is a natural born citizen.

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Good grief. Charlie Brown has more sense than that.

This is merely one more example in a long line of examples how media types can be cowed by threat of journalistic license. Denying the facts at hand, Marc, doesn't make the denials factual. Get a clue.

From Radio Patriot's place:
"I don't think it's about pay-offs to this or that power-that be that accounts for the media blackout. This could never explain the article in the Wall St. Journal by the staunchly dependable conservative James Taranto, who scoffed at the birth certificate issue. Or why Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity, Ingraham and all the others, including Hugh Hewitt, have avoided this issue. Or why conservative radio icons Al Rantel and Tammy Bruce have so quickly done an about-face, even screeching and threatening their call-in audience never to mention the birth-certificate issue. In fact Bruce seemed to experience a personality alteration by declaring loudly and angrily that if any bloggers on her site posted any material whatsoever that alluded to Obama's birth certificate, they would be permanently banned from TammyBruce.com.

"To me, it's reminiscent of the `German thing' - where ordinary, proud, conservative, responsible Germans suddenly realized that their livelihoods and perhaps their lives depended upon supporting a powerful `new order.' It was none other than Josef Goebbels who said that the way to take over a country by a relatively minute cabal of fascists was to gain control of two entities: the media and the armed forces. That's why we heard Obama promise to establish a national police force that was just as strong and well- funded and powerful as the U.S. military. He and his cabal know that they can't turn the U.S. military, so they're going to try to set up their own Gestapo.

"I suspect," she continued, "that a memo went out en masse to the media from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) not to mention the birth certificate subject under penalty of losing their licenses to broadcast. Now we have practically a national shutdown of the media, and the only entity that would have had the power to bring this about is the FCC - and not a Saudi who owns six percent of Fox News! For the entire airwaves, in unison, to suddenly take the position that Obama's birth certificate is out of bounds means that they've been ordered not to discuss it.

"Think about it...every single one of the major radio hosts rebuked callers at the same time - and on the same day in most cases! My guess is that big guns from ACORN and also from the Nation of Islam have gotten to the FCC and have told them in no uncertain terms that if Obama is blocked from becoming POTUS, there will be hell to pay all over America. And obviously these threats were deemed credible enough by those making the decisions at the FCC that they have succeeded. This is nothing less than a political coup d'état! Unless, that is, the Justices of the Supreme Court and the Electors of the Electoral College still take seriously their oaths to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution."
Dear Marc...one would think that an aspiring Presidential Aspirant would PERSONALLY put this issue to bed and not rely on SNOPES that has claimed to "see the birth certificate" that a Judge in Hawaii has sealed under Court Order. Idiot.

SNOPES?

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Sadly, Marc has been compromised and has gone the way of ODS as has Dan as has David Horowitz as has Ed Morrissey as has Frank James. Do you see the common denominator yet? More syncophantic insanity at Memeorandum...I can only surmise that our Constitution no longer matters. More silligisms here...Marc's "thing" here at Memeorandum...AFRO News at Memeorandum here...