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Friday, September 3, 2010

Dr. Tawfik Hamid's Radical Islam Test

A wall post at the Stop the Islamization of America page attracted my attention because it purported to be a statement by Dr. Tawfik Hamid calling on Muslims to  renounce several key Islamic doctrines as radical and unacceptable in modern times.   The content of that wall post aroused my skepticism  so I did a search, which turned up this ABCs Test of Radical Islam.


The time has come to define Radical Islam. Please ask your local mosque, Islamic Shool, and Islamic organization to clearly, unambiguously and publically denounce the following concepts:
Apostates killing
Beating women and stoning women to death for adultery
Calling Jews pigs and monkeys.
Declaring war on Non Muslims to spread Islam after offering Non Muslims three options – subjugate to Islam, pay Jizia (a humiliating tax), or be killed.
Enslavement of Other Human Beings.
Fighting and killing Jews before the “End of Days”.
Gay killing.
A true moderate person or organization must be able to immediately denounce the above concepts and stand publicly and unambiguously against them.
The Muslim world must not expect the world to call Islam peaceful as long as they teach and promote the above teaching.
A clear stand is needed from leading Islamic Scholars all over the world against the above ABCs.

That did not exactly match what was posted  on the wall, so I checked a link in the left sidebar, which only duplicated the original content.  Further searching turned up text exactly matching the wall post. I found this at Stop Radical Islam.

Is Your Local Mosque 'Moderate' or 'Radical'? 
Ask the Imams of Mosques, the Muslim leaders, and the Islamic organizations in the US and worldwide to sign this declaration (See below)  
by Tawfik Hamid 
www.tawfikhamid.com  
After the problem of Ground Zero Mosque has escalated it becomes an urgent necessity to distinguish 'Moderate' from 'Radical' Islam. Without making such a distinction the US and the rest of the world will remain divided regarding this issue. Debates about the issue can be endless unless we define the words 'radical' and 'moderate'.
Mosque leaders, Islamic scholars, and organizations who want to be considered Moderates MUST clearly and unambiguously declare the following declaration in their media outlets and on their websites.
I suggest that you send this declaration to Mosque leaders and the Islamic organizations inside the US and worldwide to see if they are ready to accept such a declaration or not.
Please feel free to circulate this newsletter so that we can start a process that allows us to distinguish radical from moderate Islam.
Declaration of Beliefs of Muslim Moderates -
 I (We) are Muslims who want contemporary understandings of Islam to replace currently predominant harsh and radical (Salafi/Wahabbi) interpretations of our religion. We therefore declare that:
 1-    Redda Law, the Sharia Law that allows the killing of Muslims who convert to other faiths, must be banned in Islamic teachings and in Sharia legal doctrine.  Islamic countries that practice Sharia must stop the practice of this law and must admit that Freedom of belief and the right to convert to other faith or believe is a basic right that must be given to all Muslims.
 2-    Current mainstream Sharia doctrines justify the use of violence against women.  They encourage men to beat their wives to discipline them.  They allow women accused of adultery to be stoned to death.  These doctrines are barbarically inhumane, non-egalitarian, and teach Muslim children to be violent.  These teachings must be ended by reinterpreting the Islamic text that justifies such violence.
 3-    Traditional Sharia doctrines teach Muslims that they must engage in war so that Islam will dominate the world.  When Islam becomes dominant, Non-Muslims are offered three options: to convert to Islam, to pay Jizzia (a humiliating tax), or to be killed.  These doctrines run contrary to modern respect for diversity and for personal freedom of speech and belief.  This understanding of Jihad that seeks domination of Islam over other peoples must no longer be regarded as an Islamic value and its teaching as a duty for Muslims must end.
The early Islamic wars known as "Futohaat Islameia" were fought to implement this doctrine of Jihad. These wars therefore should now be regarded as un-Islamic and un-justifiable.  
4-   Jews are individuals who deserve the same respect accorded to all individuals.  They should not be called "pigs and monkeys."  The Islamic teaching that Muslims must fight and kill all Jews before the end of days is totally incorrect and unacceptable as it does not exist in the Quran.  All teachings that encourage anti-Semitic attitudes, violence or disrespect toward Jews must be declared un-Islamic.
5-    Slavery is a crime against humanity. All Sharia laws that justify slavery in our modern times must not be taught any more. Muslim scholars must have a clear and loud voice against slavery.
6-    Islamic Sharia laws currently permit the killing homosexuals.  These laws also are advocating a crime against our fellow human beings.  They must be declared un-Islamic and their implementation must be considered criminal.
Signed,
Dr. Tawfik Hamid
The above violent teachings, which currently are taught in mainstream Islamic books in America, are implemented in countries that allow governance according to Sharia Law. Future Muslim generations must be protected from these destructive doctrines, interpretations and customs.

These violent Sharia doctrines must be replaced with clear and unconditional explanations of why they no longer are valid.

Anything short of a fully clear and unequivocal stand against these doctrines indicates passive approval. Therefore, all Islamic leaders who genuinely consider themselves to be Muslim moderates must post these principles in English and in Arabic in full public view on their websites and declare them in their media outlets.

Failure to publically post and support these principles should be interpreted as clear evidence that a leader's mosque or Islamic organization must be considered radical.

    I found the same text at Act! For America. I guess I should be more regular in reading my email; I see that some of my friends beat me to this.

    I want to focus first on one key clause from the comment: "unconditional explanations of why they no longer are valid".  Were those doctrines ever valid?  Why were they valid then, and what terminated their validity?  Has Allah changed his will or his word since 632?

  1. 4:88. Then what is the matter with you that you are divided into two parties about the hypocrites? Allâh has cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they have earned. Do you want to guide him whom Allâh has made to go astray? And he whom Allâh has made to go astray, you will never find for him any way (of guidance).

    4:89. They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliyâ' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allâh (to Muhammad ). But if they turn back (from Islâm), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliyâ' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.

    Was it invalid when Allah said it? If  so, why is it no longer valid?  If not, why did he say it?

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

    Narrated 'Ikrima:

    Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

    Was that valid when Moe said it?  If so, why was it valid then but not now?  Here is the Islamic law which is founded on those revelations and sayings.

    08.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.

    08.2 In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (A: or his representative) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is
    accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed.

    Was that provision of Shari'ah valid when it was codified?  Why is it invalid now? 
  2. 4:34. Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allâh has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allâh and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allâh orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill­conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allâh is Ever Most High, Most Great.

    "...I (the narrator Laqit) then said: Messenger of Allah, I have a wife who has something (wrong) in her tongue, i.e. she is insolent. He said: Then divorce her. I said: Messenger of Allah, she had company with me and I have children from her. He said: Then ask her (to obey you). If there is something good in her, she will do so (obey); and do not beat your wife as you beat your slave-girl. " Sunan Abu Dawud 1.0142

    24:2. The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allâh, if you believe in Allâh and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allâh's Law).

    Were those rulings valid when they were issued? If so, why are they now invalid? 
  3. 8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do.

    9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

    9:33. It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad ) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islâm), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) hate (it).

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:
    Narrated Anas bin Malik:
    Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have."

    o9.1 As for subsequent times, there are two possible states in respect to non-Muslims.
    The first is when they are in their own countries, in which case jihad (def: o9.8) is a communal obligation, and this is what our author is speaking of when he says, "Jihad is a communal obligation," meaning upon the Muslims each year.

    o9.8: The Objectives of Jihad

    The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax
    o9.9    The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim

    Were those imperatives valid when issued?  Were the confirmation and codification valid?  If so, why are they no longer valid? 
  4. 5:60. Say (O Muhammad  to the people of the Scripture): "Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allâh: those (Jews) who incurred the Curse of Allâh and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped Tâghût (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the Hell­fire), and far more astray from the Right Path (in the life of this world)."

    7:167. And (remember) when your Lord declared that He would certainly keep on sending against them (i.e. the Jews), till the Day of Resurrection, those who would afflict them with a humiliating torment. Verily, your Lord is Quick in Retribution (for the disobedient, wicked) and certainly He is Oft­Forgiving, Most Merciful (for the obedient and those who beg Allâh's Forgiveness).

    ...In the future, the Jews will support the Dajjal (False Messiah); and the Muslims, along with `Isa, son of Mary, will kill the Jews. This will occur just before the end of this world....Ibn Kathir's Tafsir

    Sahih Muslim  Book 041, Number 6985:
    Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

    Was 5:60 valid when it was revealed?  Was the genocidal prophecy valid when it was revealed?  If so, whey are they invalidated?  
  5. 33:26. And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allâh brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives.

    o9.13 When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman's previous marriage is immediately
    annulled.

    Were that exemplar & ruling valid when they were issued?  If so, what has happened to invalidate them? 
  6. 27:55. "Do you approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, but you are a people who behave senselessly."
    27:58. And We rained down on them a rain (of stones). So evil was the rain of those who were warned.

    Sunan Abu Dawud Book 38, Number 4447:
    Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.

    o12.2  If the offender is someone with the capacity to remain chaste, then he or she is stoned to death...
    Were those rulings valid when issued? If so, what has robbed them of their validity?
    A decent respect for human rights & dignity requires a rational person to reject those Islamic laws entirely.  It is not possible that they could ever possess any validity.  But Allah's word  declares that it is perfected. Alllah's word also says that it can not be changed and that it must be entirely accepted.

    By what  scripture or tradition will the moderates justify abjuring the above listed  ayat, ahadith & Shari'ah?   And how shall they evade this trap?
Reliance of the Traveller, o8.7 lists 20 acts which entail apostasy.  The seventh item in that list is:  "(7) to deny any verse of the Koran or anything which by scholarly consensus (def: b7) belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it;".  One of the rules they want to declare invalid subjects them to the death penalty as apostates!  They deny no less than 10  ayat.

    I admit that normative Islam is actually "radical"  as  it was when Moe preached and practiced it.   If any Imam  makes a public endorsement of Dr. Hamid's statement, I will be as surprised as I would be if they signed the Ground Zero Declaration.  If any Muslim who reads this presents the test and statement to his Imam and governing board, I hope that he will come back and report the results in a comment. 

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